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Default Can a true Christian follow the Old Testament?

Here is a copy of a letter to President Bush asking for biblical guidance.

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have
learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and
support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said
"in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share
that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22
clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's
Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female,
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
(I'm pretty sure she's a virgin).

3. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

4. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2.
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him
myself, or should I ask the police to do it? How can you help out here?

5. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

6. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

7. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How
should they die?

8. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

9. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of
getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we
just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and enjoy considerable
expertise, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
It must be really great to be on such close terms with God and his son, ...
even better than you and your own Dad, eh?
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How many Christians do you know of that actually quote from Leviticus? I am a devout Christian, and as far as I'm concerned, that's a book that almost everyone ignores.
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I first saw that ridiculous letter directed at Dr. Laura no fewer than 5 years ago.

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I am not Christian, but I know this.

In Christian mythology, everyone who followed the old testiment went to Hell. When God sent his son down, Jesus, he changed it all, making the New Testiment. Then he supposivly took all of our sins onto him, and was sent to Hell. Then, I guess you can say "fought" his way out from Hell. Everyone in Hell went to Heaven etc, now without sin. The old testiment is to basicly be ignored, because when Jesus came down, he changed everything.

Again, that is Christian Mythology.
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I am not Christian, but I know this.

In Christian mythology, everyone who followed the old testiment went to Hell. When God sent his son down, Jesus, he changed it all, making the New Testiment. Then he supposivly took all of our sins onto him, and was sent to Hell. Then, I guess you can say "fought" his way out from Hell. Everyone in Hell went to Heaven etc, now without sin. The old testiment is to basicly be ignored, because when Jesus came down, he changed everything.

Again, that is Christian Mythology.
Everyone who followed the OT did not "go to hell", they were awaiting judgement until Christ came. This is why when Jesus was crucified it says in the Bible that the dead came from out of their tombs and walked the streets.

And it is unknown whether Christ went to hell or not, but he did overcome death and was resurrected, something that never happened before.

The Old Testament is not to be ingnored, far from it. Christians believe that the same concepts from the OT are applied with the NT, but no one is bound by "the law" to be saved like they were.
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Everyone who followed the OT did not "go to hell", they were awaiting judgement until Christ came. This is why when Jesus was crucified it says in the Bible that the dead came from out of their tombs and walked the streets.

And it is unknown whether Christ went to hell or not, but he did overcome death and was resurrected, something that never happened before.

The Old Testament is not to be ingnored, far from it. Christians believe that the same concepts from the OT are applied with the NT, but no one is bound by "the law" to be saved like they were.
Once again, Hansmoleman....You have beat me to the punch.

Well said...

Oh, and yes.... I seen this one directed at Dr. Laura too. Nice try though.
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How many Christians do you know of that actually quote from Leviticus? I am a devout Christian, and as far as I'm concerned, that's a book that almost everyone ignores.
When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.


So should this verse be ignored as well? Is there a list somewhere where Christians can look up exactly which books or verses are supposed to be followed and which are to be ignored?

That sure would make things alot easier for those who are trying to do the right thing.
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RWSPIN -- Well, that was almost 2 months ago, no response, so I guess not, eh?
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RWSPIN -- Well, that was almost 2 months ago, no response, so I guess not, eh?

Roger.....let's try this on for size...

Jeremiah 31:31 (New International Version)

31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD ,

"when I will make a new covenant

with the house of Israel

and with the house of Judah

That was prophesied in the OT......then follow it up with what Jesus said:

Luke 22:20 (New International Version)
20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.


now after Jesus said that, the old practices and covenants of the OT were no longer necessary. The main point in Leviticus is that blood must be shed for there to be sacrifice. In that case it was the blood of animals. In the case of Jesus it was HIS blood.
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Here is a copy of a letter to President Bush asking for biblical guidance.

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have
learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and
support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said
"in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share
that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22
clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's
Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female,
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
(I'm pretty sure she's a virgin).

3. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

4. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2.
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him
myself, or should I ask the police to do it? How can you help out here?

5. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

6. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

7. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How
should they die?

8. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

9. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of
getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we
just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and enjoy considerable
expertise, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
It must be really great to be on such close terms with God and his son, ...
even better than you and your own Dad, eh?


Let's give thanks for the New Testament or else all of this stuff would be taken literally.....
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