I have gotten a few PMs and questions asking since I am so against the majority of religons, what is mine.

It is very simple.

Be the best person you can be. Help everyone you can. For what goes around, comes around. If you do good to someone, good will come to you.

I believe no loving god would send his/her children to a Hell. Maybe a punishment yes, but not burning in Hell. Ever notice about how when you lie or do something bad, sooner or later something bad happens to you, unless you fix it? And how if you do something good, you feel good, and good things can happen. This is gods way of punishing and gifting us. Our purpose is simply to exist.

When you help your fellow human, god will see that, and bless you with that. There is no long term punishment. You dont get sent to hell after you die. Everyone goes to Nirvana. The punishments are while you are alive, not after death. Any good parent would help their child in a time of need. And after you are dead, you need a home. A good parent will give you a home. And so he/she does.

I have no evidence like the Bible to support myself. All I can say is, I feel it in my heart. I know that even if I am wrong, and Christianity is the right religon. Before I am sent to Hell, I can look God dead on in the eye and say "I lived my life the best I could. I did good to my fellow human, and I lived how a human should live. I made mistakes, and I did my best to redeem myself for them. I lived my life the best I could, and I died with a good conscience. You are no better then the Devil himself."

Even if I am wrong, and am sent to Hell, I will know I did good. I will have a good feeling through the pain. I will have died doing all I could for others and myself. But if I am right, I can tell god that I did god, and I am glad to finally be home in Nirvana. Even if when you die it is just oblivion. Nothing. You will still have died knowing you lived your life well. No matter what, you life is positive.

Everyone makes mistakes. No one should be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed for a mistake. They should learn from it and become a better human being.

That is my belief. I am not saying I am right, I am simply saying, I feel this is what I am to believe. And everyone should find what they feel to be true to them. Not everyone believes the same thing. But all religons in some way make you a good person to an extent. Find something that you feel is right. I found mine. Do not adhere to a religon you are in if you do not really believe and feel it. Do not do it because you were raised to it, or because you fear the backlash of not believing it. Believe what you want, believe what you believe. I do. I proudly admit I am a pagan and a heathen because I do not believe in the abrahamic religons. When it comes down to issues like gay marriage and abortion and such, simply do what your heart says. If you say yes, and I say no, we will both still go to Nirvana, because we both followed our hearts.

Believe with your Heart

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Do not believe out of fear, or for the fact you grew up in a religon. Believe what your heart tells you is right.
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...that so many people who reject conventional religion in this country still can't escape the idea of an übergod.

Thanks for the explanation, though.

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What have you done for your people today?

I dont accept any god as unreasonable as the Christian God. Who knows, maybe the game Black and Whites system could be true Everytime someone believes, a new god is born. But then again, just a game. Who truly knows what will happen. No one, and that is why it is called a belief, and not called fact.

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Do not believe out of fear, or for the fact you grew up in a religon. Believe what your heart tells you is right.
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The only reason I made this was to tell people it is ok to have your own belief. So many people do not agree with the major religons, so they just decide they don't believe in any. And so many people follow a religon just because they grew up that way, or they fear it. I wish everyone would believe what they believe, not follow it for stupid reasons.

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Do not believe out of fear, or for the fact you grew up in a religon. Believe what your heart tells you is right.
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First of all, let me say that I respect all religions. However, I am unsure as to whether or not any of the major religions are right. I have decided that the Old Testament is just a well told mythical story, but I respect anyone who reads the Bible and has faith. It is a good thing to have faith, whatever you believe. Vinyar, I'm glad you have faith.

I am unsure if there is a god. I haven't studied religion that much, but I am beginning to study it more and more each day. I am in the process of reading the New Testament. While I can't prove anything false yet, I am waiting to read until the end to decide whether or not it is a good possibility. There are some inconsistencies in the Apostle's stories, but I know this book was rewritten so many times, and that the stories are not totally a contradiction.

I hope one day, be it to follow the New Testament, I can find a good faith system that more people can relate to. Right now, I follow my own beliefs, and I intend to follow them until the day I die, whatever I decide to have faith in. These beliefs are that there are driving forces in the universe which embody us all. The Light, Life and Love have always been my gods. I strive to drive out The Darkness, Death and Hate.

You are probably wondering how I am to drive out Death when it is an absolute necessity. It's nature is universal. It is shadow. It is wind. It is inevitable. It is inescapable and unrestrainable. In the end, nothing can halt it's cool touch. However, I believe that you must strive against it still. You must shut as many doors to it as you can. If I'm to die, I shall die fighting.

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"Actually, he forgot Poland!" - the most brilliant words ever spoken by the most idiotic President the United States has ever had.

"If I'm to die, I shall die fighting."

Very powerful statement. Much the belief of the Norse, who I hold in very high respects. Only big diffrence is what you die fighting, but eh.

Here is why I posted this entire thing...

Dont be pressured or raised to believe something you do not feel. Believe in what you believe.

I am not christian because it didnt give me the feeling my very devout christian friend said. The belief I posted ontop of all this does give me the feeling that I am right in myself. This makes me believe in the line that The Muse said in Dogma (yes it is a comedy, but comedies can be true) "It doesnt matter what you have faith in, just that you have faith". Follow a religon because you believe it, not for any other reason. Those are the only people I can not stand.

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Do not believe out of fear, or for the fact you grew up in a religon. Believe what your heart tells you is right.
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You may be a wonderful person, but being “good” has nothing to do with the reason humans are not able to be in the presence of God. Something happened in the very beginning that is represented by the story of Adam’s and Eve’s fall from grace and whatever they did, it resulted in a spiritual disease that is fatal and hereditary.

There is no doubt in my mind that Hell exists and the thought of another human being going to what is sure to be a horrific place deeply troubles me. That being said, I would not wish a fate of eternity in Hell even upon people as despicable as Hitler or Bin Laden. So, what if you are wrong and Hell is a real place of complete darkness, where physical desires burn unquenched for eternity and the only thing to look forward to from one moment to the next is more agonizing torture?

Saying “eternity is a long time” is such a cliché, but you should seriously contemplate just how long forever is before you decide to condemn yourself. Seriously, even after a million billion trillion quadrillion quintillion years, your suffering would be no closer to ending than the first day you entered Hell. And if you are given an opportunity to insult God by comparing him to the Devil, do you sincerely believe that 10,000 years later, after you have suffered constant unendurable agony, you will look back and think “Well, I certainly showed God?” Don’t give up on Jesus just because your friend’s relationship with God seemed to be more fulfilling than yours - everybody’s experience is different.

There is only one true living God,the God that created the universe,
there is no other living god.

God does not send anyone to hell,people choose to go there,If you chose not to have Him in your life while you were still alive on earth,He will
eternally separate you from Himself for eternity. (hell).

God will send satan and the fallen angels into hell.

Gods Word tells us "The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; Who can understand it? ( Jeremiah 17:9 )

Hell is full of "good" people, goodness does not get you to heaven, how good do you have to be? ( youd have to be perfect , like God)

Were you virgin born?

Can you walk on water?

Were you crucified,died and are alive again?

Ever tell a lie, take a paper clip , pen or anything from work that belonged to
the office and not yours?
When we break one commandment we have broken all ten ,even just one is
punishable by death.

My point is we all need to go thru Jesus if we want get to heaven.



The only way to heaven is through a relationship with Jesus Christ, you
have to recieve Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, but you have to "repent"
of your sins to be forgiven,there can be no foregiveness without repentance.

Thank You

Hi Christian,

As a "devout" Atheist, I could not agree with your personal ethics, and assesments that have lead you to form your conclusions more.

Whether or not you believe in simply the concept of "god(s)" or do not, what you have expressed is at the core of what I, as an independent thinker and "humanist", for lack of a better descriptive word, would advocate for all people religious or not to seriously consider and evaluate for themselves, as a personal philosophy.

It is really quite irrelevant if one is or is not religious or an Atheist, or whatever one might choose to classify themselves as.

Although we all have a variety of beliefs, NONE is more honest and independent than those beliefs one has consciously made a descision are those which are of the nature as you are describing.

One might bicker and banter about the words used to express your personal philosophy, and argue semantics, citing exceptions that would attempt to poke holes into the meaning of your words: for example, to argue religious extremists believe many of the things you mention.

Such semantic arguments are not even worth the bandwidth of discussion or consideration.

Above and beyond the questions of Existence (the often and somewhat circularly argued topic in religious and Atheist forums) is the question of
a personal philosophy, and none is more constructive and more sensible than the central theme of your post. Which I believe is to abide by one's own personal conclusions, dismissing dogma and a predefined set of beliefs.

As an Atheist, and and independent thinker, I would advocate that theme, as being the most important aspect for all persons to seriously consider as a
constructive and humanitarian personal philosophy which can be extended into a wide variety of issues we all face every day, and some of us (people)occasionally evaluate, and re-evaluate, to ensure that our core beliefs have been reached without the influence and determination of dogma, popular belief, and repetitive nonesense that come to be favorite ways in which all too many people adapt to portray as an intelligent view of anything under the sun.

Regards, - T2 (Returning for a very brief diversion, tonight.)

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I actually don’t believe in atheists. Seriously. I think there are two types of people in the world, those who love God and those who hate God. Either you look around at the incredible nature of existence and are drawn to God, or look at the world as such worthless place that you don’t want to have anything to do with its Creator.

It is personally unbelievable that someone could simply deny that an intelligence beyond our understanding is behind the development of a fertilized human egg into a child, the incredible beauty of stars being born from nebulae, or the Earth’s orbit that must be so precise that were it off by one percent none of us would be pondering anything. It seems that an “independent thinker” would find it a bit restricting to limit her/his thoughts to only those that exclude the arcane.