Jesus(pbuh) is NOT the one mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:18! This is a Challenge.

Everyone,

The subject at hand is whether or not Jesus(pbuh) was literate or illiterate?

I will provide the KJV English of this verse and YOUNG's Literal version.

KJV ENGLISH -

Deuteronomy 18:18
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

YOUNG's Literal

Deuteronomy 18:18
"a prophet I raise up to them, out of the midst of their brethren, like to thee; and I have given my words in his mouth, and he hath spoken unto them all that which I command him;"
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"My words in his mouth" would suggest that this prophet is illiterate. Paul(Saul) has even explained in the Book of ACTS that this prophet is Jesus(pbuh). This only proves that PAUL(SAUL)'s account is ficticious and not to be trusted. The first evidence is from the Book of ACTS and the others from the GOSPEL of JOHN.


ACTS 7:

37 " This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. (Deut. 18.15, 1
38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Si'nai, (Ex. 19.1--20.17 · Deut. 5.1-33) and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: "

ACTS 1:1 and LUKE 1:1

"DEAR THEOPHILUS" is one evidence that has exposed(or will) that the GOSPELS are a FRAUD! This either the writings of LUKE or PAUL(SAUL) or both.

Why? because of 2nd TIMOTHY 4:11-13 !

11 Only Luke is with me. Take Mark,and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.
12 And Tych'icus have I sent to Ephesus.
13 The cloak that I left at Tro'as with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.

HERE we have the writers of the GOSPELS conspiring to rewrite and/or create a foreign GOSPEL(or rather a PAGAN GOSPEL suitable for a PAGAN audience). Or it could be that someone in ROME rewrote the Gospels. Also,The Injil of Jesus(pbuh) is missing. The Injil,mentioned in the Quran, and the GOSPELS are two seperate sources. The Injil would originally be written in HEBREW and/or ARAMAIC the original language of the participants of Jesus(pbuh) time period and his region.

Despite the GOSPELS seemingly contradictions and grotesque errors any deligent reader to could filter the truth.

Here are the verses in the Gospel of John which suggests that Jesus(pbuh) was literate and therefore NOT the prophet mentioned in DEUTERONOMY 18:18! I will be using KING JAMES VERSION English.......

The GOSPEL of JOHN 8:2,6-8 -

2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

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6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

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1. Verse 2 would suggest that he had to have read the TORAH! He could read!

2. Both verses 6 and 8 would also suggest that he could WRITE! Therefore, the Quran's account that he wrote an INJIL(Jesus' own writings in Hebrew and/or ARAMAIC) and therefore his own book has to be credible. The question is where is it? The GOSPELS that the BIBLE contains is NOT trustworthy.

3. Jesus(pbuh) is not the Prophet mentioned in DEUTERONOMY 18:18! Paul(Saul) and his associates got it wrong despite that they or later someone possibly wrote the Gospel of John and/or other Gospels. The language of KOINE GREEK is not the language of Jesus(pbuh) nor of his disciples.

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Hasan

The person's response:

1. I am about to show you a contradiction within the Gospels itself!

2. I will also show you that HE KNEW the TORAH because he read it! And this is located in the TAMPERED Gospels!!


ANSWER:

LUKE 4:16

" ¶ And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."

Similar passages:

Matthew 13:53-58 and Mark 6:1-6 !!!

The rest of the LUKE passage:

17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;
he hath sent me to heal the broken-hearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives,
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. (Is. 61.1, 2)
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this Scripture fulfilled in your ears.

"To read" & "Fulfilled in your ears" would suggest that he is very literate!.

Hasan

Is it really beneficial to argue over a book with very little or no provable truth to it?

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You have a point but we are all competing in this world and/or reality.

Hasan

There are a large ammount of factual errors in the gospels , but this isn't one of them.

If you think this means he was illiterate, you are way off.

"I will put words in his mouth" has nothing to do with literacy. What it means is, essentially nothing more and nothing less than "God told him what to say." If you'll read the gospels, jesus says often that it is not himself who is speaking, but god who is speaking for him through the holy spirit.

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"The belief that nothing exists outside your own mind--surely there must be some way of demonstrating that it was false" - 1984

[sarcasm]

God must have really screwed the pooch on this one?

I mean not only did he screw up in sending his prophet, he converted almost half the world with a semi-pagan religion that's lasted 2000 years. How the @#$!# did that happen? And, oh my god, from this religion arose some of the most prosperous countries on the earth! This must be satan's work.

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"The belief that nothing exists outside your own mind--surely there must be some way of demonstrating that it was false" - 1984

Everyone,

I was absent for awhile on this board but let me go ahead and post my corrections from another board on this subject.

Another Response by me from another board which I corrected

DEUTERONOMY 34:10

" And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, "

THATS right let us read the whole concept rather than a snip here and there!

However, I am incorrect about the ILLITERATE part because of

EXODUS 4:10-16

10 ¶ And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant; but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.
11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.
13 And he said, O my Lord, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom thou wilt send.
14 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.
15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.
16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

Nevertheless,

The word "Command" is crucial !!!

DEUTERONOMY 18:18

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

"Like unto thee" & "I shall comman him" is the clue that no so-called Jewish prophet fit this description.

Why? this would demand for them to have something similar to the commandments given to Moses(pbuh) and they would have to be dictated by Allah/YHWY(swt) something like another revelation.

Suppoting evidence:

DEUTERONOMY 34:10, Habakkuk, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and some of supposedly Jesus(pbuh) words in the tampered Gospels would suggest a Non-Jewish prophet!

Hasan

Another Reasponse:

My whole subject is based on a letter by Prophet Muhammad to a Jewish tribe(NOTE: all of his letters were written by someone else and he was there to dictate his letters, "BY" used meant that he dictated his letters to be written by his secretaries and his companions who could read and write):

http://www.alquraan.net/letters/let...20OF%20KHY BER

This is part of the letter that is part of this thesis:

"From Muhammad, the Prophet of Allah who is like Moosa (Moses A.S.) a prophet and messenger and he testifies to what Moosa (A.S.) had brought.

0 people of Torah, has Allah not stated in the Torah that "Muhammad (S.A.W.) is a Prophet of Allah. The people who will be with him, shall be harsh towards the enemies of Allah. And amongst themselves, they shall be kind and loving. They shall bow and prostrate before Allah. And they shall seek His bounty and goodwill". ".................

Now, I could be incorrect about EXODUS because the OLD TESTAMENT and/or the Torah that we now see is possibly fake or fraudulent or partially true based on this.....

" On this day he wrote thirteen scrolls of the Torah, twelve for the twelve tribes, and one he put into the Holy Ark, so that, if they wished to falsify the Torah, the one in the Ark might remain untouched. "
SOURCE: http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/loj/loj309.htm

Another response....

Fathom,

The point is that your evidence could not be supported by the Old Testament.

WE HAVE PROVEN ...Time and Time again that the Gospels are NOT RELIABLE.

Parts of the Gospels could be proven as reliable if it agrees with OTHER SOURCES.

Eventhough, you may disagree with Paul(Saul) and also I fully believe he was influenced by Satan( 2nd Corinthians 12:7-8 ) but despite this Paul(Saul) set a precedent. The precedent or the Litmus test is to use the Old Testament to agree with your idea. As he has state himself:

2nd Timothy 3:16

" All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: "

With this in mind. Let us assume that Prophet John(Yahya)(pbuh) the baptist was indeed Prophet Elijah(pbuh). This would mean that the promised return of Prophet Elijah(pbuh) in Malachi was allegorical. Malachi states:

MALACHI 4:5-6

5 ¶ Behold, I will send you Eli'jah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 and he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

LUKE 1:17

" And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Eli'jah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. "

Fathom,

This would mean that the prophecy of ISAIAH 40:3 could not be taken literally and it is allegorical when it mentions other things included with this passage.

You have overlooked one thing. Jesus(pbuh) admitted that John(Yahya)(pbuh) was the allegorical Elijah(pbuh) but he did NOT say he was THAT PROPHET. Remember, that these passages are allegorical and therefore Jesus(pbuh) would have to explain also the meaning of the other part " That Prophet ".

Fathom,

He explains/explained it according to the Gospels. Just like he explained the prophecy of Malachi(pbuh) concerning the allegorical return of Elijah(pbuh). I could conclude this because there is no Islamic prophecy which clearly state Elijah(pbuh) would return physically to Earth before the Day of Judgement. OK, does Jesus(pbuh) mention the other prophet?

This is a serious question that must be answered. I will show a contradiction which in a way also has disqualified the reliability of the GOSPEL of MATTHEW! and an indirect answer:

MATTHEW 11:7-9

7 ¶ And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.

This is an error by this GOSPEL ! Just like Matthew 27:52-53 is also an error ! which indicates TAMPERING.

One of the answers that DEUTERONOMY 18:18 is NOT Jesus(pbuh) is located in the Gospel of JOHN 7:40-44 which will hint that the Messiah and the prophet DEUTERONOMY 18:18 are tow different entities.

40 ¶ Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.
41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
42 Hath not the Scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
43 So there was a division among the people because of him.
44 And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him.

Here we have confirmation that they were two seperate entities.

MATTHEW 21:43-46

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.(Violence similar to the EXODUS segment presented)
45 ¶ And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

Jesus(pbuh) was speaking of another "NATION" ! While he has stated according to the Gospels he belonged to the Israeli/Judea nation:

MARK 6:4

4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honor, but in his own country,( also John 4:44 ) and among his own kin, and in his own house.

The other "Nation" has already been spoken of by Prophet Jeremiah(pbuh)! First, I will present clear evidence that G-d could change or alter the destiny of the Isreali nation which he has done because of the destruction of the First and Second Temple(according to the Talmud the fate of the nation depended on the condition of the Temple)!!!!

JEREMIAH 12:16-17

16 And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Ba'al; then shall they be built in the midst of my people.
17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.

This also proves that some Jews were involved in Paganism but most importantly it shows that the next evidence shows that Allah(G-d) has chosen the Arab nation.......and let the absence of the TEMPLE in Jerusalem be the sign ( just oppositely similar what the Talmud states ).

JEREMIAH 2:9-13

9 ¶ Wherefore I will yet plead with you, saith the LORD, and with your children's children will I plead.
10 For pass over the isles of Chittim( The Roman Empire is meant in this one and it was considered but also gives a hint of a corrupted message through the hands of men ), and see; and send unto Kedar( The Arab nation option in case Isreal/Judea fails in their mission. ), and consider diligently, and see if there be such a thing.
11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.
12 Be astonished, O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate, saith the LORD.
13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

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Moayidd,

Do not worry so much of what is stated in EXODUS because it contains some truth and it would contain some falsehood. Remember, the book of Genesis has stated that Prophet Isaac(peace be upon him) rather than Ishmael(peace be upon him) was offered by Prophet Abraham(peace be upon him), ofcourse there are some other information included which is NOT correct. The original which is in the 'Ark of the Covenant' will contain the truthful information because the Temple priests have altered their Torah before the Babylonian invasion(JEREMIAH 8:8-9). The evidence is that some Jews believe that some part of G-d exists in everyone and this is forbidden dogma and belief and it is Pagan( Read Isaiah chapter 44:9-20 )

Links:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/t03/yom06.htm

HASAN

The contradiction in the Resurrection of Jesus in the Gospels.

Matthew 28:2

" And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it."

MARK 16:2-4

2 And very early in the morning, the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

LUKE 24:2-5

2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
5 and as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?

JOHN 20:11-12

11 ¶ But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 and seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.


FATHOM,

YOU BELIEVE IN THESE GOSPELS? or the AUTHENTIC Quran and Islamic sources? Please, make it clear for everyone to hear your explanation this time.

HASAN
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NATHAN,

Yes there are BIG errors in the Gospels.