An inescapably blessed fact fills the Scriptures: God has ordained that every believer realize the significance of their mission and ministry as His servants. Gender is no restriction intended to limit significance or breadth of dimension in living for or serving Christ: "I will pour out My Spirit upon your sons and daughters...upon your menservants and your maidservants".

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Great thread!

I agree it should be that way but how we forget the dark ages(brought about because of religion)women not, having souls, free to be raped, and murdered with no punishment other than dont do that and after that women being burnt as witches. Also calling Mary a whore which is completely incorrect. And not to mention in politics women having no right to vote. Even in Islam today women are less than. And in some mormon faith women are still nothing but child bearing vessels for their enjoyment. so until you can prove other wise you just proved my assumption that mans interpretation of the bible or any scripture (not all) is definetly made to suppress and maintain order with force and prejudice.

The woman, first scarred by sin, is selected to be the one first promised to become an instrument of God's redemptive working.

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"To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you"

thoughtprocess: I agree it should be that way but how we forget the dark ages(brought about because of religion)

The dark ages brought about because of religion?

NOT.


That would be the Attilla the Hun and the Germanic invasions. It had NOTHING to do with religion, and everything to do with rape and pillage.


In fact, it was religion which saved civilization and the last documents of the learning of antiquity-the Christians in Europe and the Muslims in Iraq.

http://www.randomhouse.com/features/cahill/irish.html

In this entertaining and compelling narrative, Thomas Cahill tells the story of how Europe evolved from the classical age of Rome to the medieval era. Without Ireland, the transition could not have taken place. Not only did Irish monks and scribes maintain the very record of Western civilization -- copying manuscripts of Greek and Latin writers, both pagan and Christian, while libraries and learning on the continent were forever lost -- they brought their uniquely Irish world-view to the task.

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"Early in the ninth century, the Abbasid caliphs decided to adopt a more deliberate approach to the cultural and intellectual growth of the empire. They established the House of Wisdom, a sort of ninth century academy of science, and started to gather together scholarly manuscripts in Greek and Sanskrit, together with scholars who could read and understand them. Over the following years, many important Greek and Indian mathematical books were translated and studied, leading to a new era of scientific and mathematical creativity that was to last until the 14th century.

One of the first Greek texts to be translated was Euclid's Elements. This had a huge impact, and from then on the Arabic mathematicians adopted a very Greek approach to their mathematics, formulating theorems precisely and proving them formally in Euclid's style. Like Greek mathematics, which was defined more by the common language in which it was written and carried out, rather than the nationality of the practitioners, Arabic mathematics was determined largely by the common use of Arabic by scholars of many nationalities, not all of them Arabic or Muslim, spread throughout the Islamic Empire.

-The Mathematical Association of America


Any more anti religious bigotry and fallacies?

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As she examines the many misconceptions about the "Middle Ages", the renown French historian, Régine Pernoud, gives the reader a refreshingly original perspective on many subjects, both historical (from the Inquisition and witchcraft trials to a comparison of Gothic and Renaissance creative inspiration) as well as eminently modern (from law and the place of women in society to the importance of history and tradition). Here are fascinating insights, based on Pernoud's sound knowledge and extensive experience as an archivist at the French National Archives. The book will be provocative for the general readers as well as a helpful resource for teachers.
Scorned for centuries, although lauded by the Romantics, these thousand years of history have most often been concealed behind the dark clouds of ignorance: Why, didn't godiche (clumsy, oafish) come from gothique (Gothic)? Doesn't "fuedal" refer to the most hopeless obscurantism? Isn't "Medieval" applied to dust-covered, outmoded things?

Here the old varnish is stripped away and a thousand years of history finally emerge—the "Middle Ages" are dead, long live the Middle Ages!


When the average person thinks about the "Middle Ages", that period from about 500 to 1500 AD commonly called the "Dark Ages", they usually have visions of gore, torture, famine and poverty. Is that a correct understanding?
Régine Pernoud, the famed French historian and archivist (1909-1999), writes that it is not. The author of numerous books about the Middle Ages, including widely acclaimed books about Joan of Arc and other women of the period, Pernoud is not afraid to express her anger and frustration with the lack of accurate teaching about the Middle Ages. She causticially notes that the "Middle Ages is privileged material: one can say what one wants about it with the quasi-certitude of never being contradicted." Although originally published in 1977 and intended for a French audience, "Those Terrible Middle Ages!" is both a helpful introduction to the real Middle Ages and a fine commentary on the importance of a sound education in history, something many Americans would be all the better for having.

Although the book (the translation?) occasionally reads awkwardly, Pernoud's ability to right the record by turning stereotypes and fallacies upside down shines through. Her major concern is that what passes for an education in history within public schools is often little more than a string of stereotypes held together by the glue of gullibility: "The Middle Ages still signifies: a period of ignorance, mindlessness, or generalized underdevelopment, even if this was the only period of underdevelopment during which cathedrals were built!" She laments that the strides made in scholarship in this area have yet to reach the general public, a situation which hasn't changed much since the 1970s, at least on this side of the Atlantic.

Pernoud's central argument is that the revival of Roman law and the infatuation with Greek and Roman culture which occurred in France and much of western Europe during the sixteenth century resulted in an eclipse, even destruction, of all that had existed between the "two periods of light: antiquity and the Renaissance. . ." The intermediate period (the "middle" age) quickly became viewed as "crude" and "dark", failing to measure up to the eternal standards of ancient Greece and Rome. For instance, in the realm of art the result was "an anathema on the Middle Ages. All that was not in conformity with Greek or Latin modeling was mercilessly rejected" and even purposefully targeted for destruction. Ironically, the great cathedrals were all built during the Middle Ages; in addition, the literary forms of the epic and the novel were both products of the same era, as well as the bound book ("codex"), which replaced the use of scrolls.


Yet the facts show again and again that the Middle Ages, far from being completely ignorant or dim-witted, produced scholars of astounding learning such as Isidore of Seville, Bede the Venerable, Gregory of Tours and Hildegarde of Bingen. The latter, a woman, is not, as Pernoud demonstrates, an exception. Many women religious were accomplished scholars, theologians and even leaders. Just one example is Petronilla of Chemillé, an abbess who presided over convents of both women and men-at the ripe old age of twenty-two! Far from being a time when women were "oppressed" and "marginalized", the Middle Ages witnessed an amazing flowering of the feminine in the Church, society and home. It was no coincidence that the MIddle Ages also witnessed a remarkable growth in devotion to the Virgin Mary and other female saints. It was in the seventeenth century that women began to lose privileges and authority, essentially reverting to the status of property under the revived Roman Law. A similar situation occurred with slavery, which had died out during the Middle Ages but emerged again with the "colonial expansion that characterized the classical period." As Pernoud takes pains to show, the feudal system was a far cry from slavery-despite modern misconceptions--and was a way of life built upon honor, specific rights and a deep commitment to the agrarian life.

lol if christians believe its their burden to save everyone then its their fault that they couldnt and the tactics in which they tried was quite wrong.

What does that have to do with the historically incorrect assertion from 2nd rate tabloid armchair history you so ignorantly dropped into the discussion with an arrogance only matched by it's baselessness in the truth??

Lol, what a farce your posts are. You glibly dump billions of people from dozens of cultures across centuries of ages into one collective garbage bin.

You say, "the tactics in which they tried was quite wrong". Which tactics? The hospitals schools and Universities they built or the food for the poor? The unwed mothers they housed?

OH I KNOW, LET'S SELECT THE MOST OBVIOUSLY OFF THE CHART ZEOLOTS (WHO ARE ACTUALLY ACTING IN DIRECT OPPOSITIONS TO THE ADMONITIONS OF CHRIST) AND POSIT THEM AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE GROUP.


WOW, WHEN PEOPLE DO SUCH TO RACIAL GROUPS THEY DISLIKE OR GENDER, IT'S HENIOUS MANIPULATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF HATE IS CLEAR AND DESPISED.

But you can get away with it by twisting history, and selecting the worst of the worst of a group from 20 centuries of faith in your hate speech eh?


Your anti-Christian statements are mere hate speech.

Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost

Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen.

Matthew 28:19,20

We shall spread teaching of Jesus Christ in the world and to follow his commandments.

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lol i am right the church had rule and dominion over all in that period but read what you will. And people were killed on authority of Bishops but whatever you can blame who you will the fact remains that kingdoms believed in God and kingdoms fell apart even with a belief in God because of man ruling instead of God your oblivious to evil i can see that now lol

oh and also you totally disregarded witch killings

and you pick the best people and actions so we are even

and why do you always have to call people racist or suggest that they are racist when they disagree with you that is the very definition of prejudice you know