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If they believe in God, they aren't atheists. If a man tells you he's German, but he has a Japanese birth certificate, passport, nothing but Japanese ancestors for the past 30 generations, and is monolingual in Japanese, do you believe him when he says he's German? No, you think "this guy is a liar."

So, at best, these atheists are most likely just self-described and are really just Christians trying to "get back" at God.
There is nothing wrong with the study.
The thing is that atheism is a rather silly and emotional movement by people who want to look down at others.
Its so bad that 21% dont even know what they are talking about.

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Were you one of the people being polled? You obviously don't know what an atheist is either.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a God. In other words, the opposite of a religion. Atheism is also not against religion, that would be anti-theism. Sure there are some atheists who are also anti-theists, but they are two separate concepts.
I do. Atheists dont know what atheism is.
There is just as much evidence for the existence of god as there is for the
non-existence. Being shure there is no god is a matter of faith.
Atheism is a religion because its a faith about religeous matters.

Most atheists dont have a problem with islam. Its only christianity that is the
problem. Therefore christianophobia. It doesnt matter what you call youself.
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Old 03-09-2009, 08:29 AM
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There is nothing wrong with the study.
How do you know? If you have a copy of the methodology, why don't you let us see it?

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The thing is that atheism is a rather silly and emotional movement by people who want to look down at others.
Proof?

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Its so bad that 21% dont even know what they are talking about.
And those 21% aren't atheists by definition.



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I do. Atheists dont know what atheism is.
Proof?

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There is just as much evidence for the existence of god as there is for the
non-existence. Being shure there is no god is a matter of faith.
Atheism is a religion because its a faith about religeous matters.
So, what about non-belief in werewolves, Santa, or unicorns? Are those religious opinions?

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Most atheists dont have a problem with islam. Its only christianity that is the
problem. Therefore christianophobia. It doesnt matter what you call youself.
Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Atheists do have a problem with Islam, it is just that in most countries that have sizable number of atheists tend to be Christian countries, and, therefore, the religion they interact with most.
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It doesn't matter: scientific fact has refuted the Bible, completely.
Please post your evidence that conclusively proves that there is no God.


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If they believe in God, they aren't atheists.
Maybe they were just messing with the poll because they thought the answer would be funny. Its something I would do.

What kind of poll asks an atheist if they believe in God? Its just retarded.
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Not 21%, 6%. Look at the god (*)(*)(*)(*) poll and not just some blogger's opinion on it.

Also, God in Christianity is clearly defined as a person. Personal God is at a mere 72% though with Protestants, and at a mere 60% with Catholics, who believe in the wholy Trinity, all aspects of which are personal gods. If you're going to condemn people based on a poll, read it.
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So, what about non-belief in werewolves, Santa, or unicorns? Are those religious opinions?
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There is just as much evidence for the existence of god as there is for the
non-existence. Being shure there is no god is a matter of faith.
Atheism is a religion because its a faith about religeous matters.
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I do. Atheists dont know what atheism is.
What a ridiculous statement. Ok then professor, please enlighten us. Tell us atheists what atheism really is...

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There is just as much evidence for the existence of god as there is for the non-existence.
You are correct. As in, there is absolutely no evidence. The default position on anything is non-belief. Why does it make more sense to you to believe in something which lacks any evidence, over not believing? That is completely irrational and illogical.

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Being shure there is no god is a matter of faith.
No it isn't. Religious faith is specifically believing in a creator and/or a set of doctrines pertaining to spirituality or the supernatural without any evidence. This is not part of the definition of atheism. As I said, atheism is the lack of belief in a God. It is not the believe that there is no God. There is a subtle but important difference. Of course, there are some atheists who also are sure that there is no God, but this is also a separate concept, and not part of the definition of atheism.

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Atheism is a religion because its a faith about religeous matters.
Incorrect. See above.

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Most atheists dont have a problem with islam. Its only christianity that is the problem. Therefore christianophobia. It doesnt matter what you call youself.
Atheism is equal opportunity in regards to the ridiculousness of religious belief systems.
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You are correct. As in, there is absolutely no evidence. The default position on anything is non-belief. Why does it make more sense to you to believe in something which lacks any evidence, over not believing?
It doesn't.

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No it isn't. Religious faith is specifically believing in a creator and/or a set of doctrines pertaining to spirituality or the supernatural without any evidence.
Atheism is believing specifically in the doctrine of there being no god without any evidence.

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This is not part of the definition of atheism. As I said, atheism is the lack of belief in a God.
That's agnosticism.

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Atheism is equal opportunity in regards to the ridiculousness of religious belief systems.
No.
If atheists really were opposed to all religion, they would never get to christianity, they would be busy criticizing islam.
No atheist exept a few ever criticize islam.
Every year as many people die in the global jihad as in the entire 350 years of the inquisition.
Nobody cares about the chopping of heads stuff in the name of islam, even in europe and the US.
But all atheists care about how and where to say "In god we trust".
They are anti-christian. Not anti religion.
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Atheism is believing specifically in the doctrine of there being no god without any evidence.
No, it's not believing in a God without any evidence.

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That's agnosticism.
Wrong again. Agnosticism is the belief that the existence of a God is unknown and inherently unknowable. I have a problem with agnosticism, because this is nothing more than a statement of fact. Since we're talking about whether one believes whether or not there is a God, all agnostics lean either theist or atheist, though "weakly" so. As such, agnosticism is a fallacious position.

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No.
If atheists really were opposed to all religion, they would never get to christianity, they would be busy criticizing islam.
No atheist exept a few ever criticize islam.
Every year as many people die in the global jihad as in the entire 350 years of the inquisition.
Nobody cares about the chopping of heads stuff in the name of islam, even in europe and the US.
But all atheists care about how and where to say "In god we trust".
They are anti-christian. Not anti religion.
You missed the point, again. Some atheists may be anti-some-or-all-religions, but atheism itself is not anti-anything. Second, most religious discussion I am a part of are in regards to Christianity, not because I don't care about the others, but because it is the dominant religion in my country (United States), and in fact the world. I assume the same is true for many others.
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No, it's not believing in a God without any evidence.

Agnosticism is the belief that the existence of a God is unknown and inherently unknowable.
I think we agree that there is no evidence of the existence of god.

So either your position is that you dont know the existence of God or that you believe one of the two options without evidence.
Tell me what there is left inbetween.

Agnosticism is saying you dont know.
Theism is the belief in a god without knowing.
Atheism is the belief in there not being any god without knowing.

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Some atheists may be anti-some-or-all-religions, but atheism itself is not anti-anything.
I think you miss my point.
That may be the definition of atheism. But most self proclaimed atheists dont follow that definition.
They are anti-christian, calling themselves atheists.

If someone declares himself anti-french but only hates on Paris, he is not anti-french, he is anti-paris.
Thats what this thread is about: Most in the movement not even knowing what the movement really is about.
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I think we agree that there is no evidence of the existence of god.
Yep.

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So either your position is that you dont know the existence of God or that you believe one of the two options without evidence.
Tell me what there is left inbetween.

Agnosticism is saying you dont know.
Theism is the belief in a god without knowing.
Atheism is the belief in there not being any god without knowing.
No, you're still not getting the correct definition of atheism.

Theist = "I believe in God."
Atheist = "I do not believe in God." (clarification: not "I believe there is no God")
Agnostic = *shrugs* "Meh."

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I think you miss my point.
That may be the definition of atheism. But most self proclaimed atheists dont follow that definition.
They are anti-christian, calling themselves atheists.

If someone declares himself anti-french but only hates on Paris, he is not anti-french, he is anti-paris.
Thats what this thread is about: Most in the movement not even knowing what the movement really is about.
Fair enough, though I do not agree that atheists only focus on Christianity, except for the reason that I described in my previous post - that is what many are exposed to the majority of the time.
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