21% of aheists believe in god - Page 6

Paris · #51 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIAagent11

21% of aheists believe in god
Doesn't it say something about a movement if such a large part of it doesnt even know what its about?

What does it say to you? Feel free to express yourself, dont mince your words.

CIAagent11 · #52 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paris

What does it say to you? Feel free to express yourself, dont mince your words.

Hi Paris. Nice to see you.

What do you mean? I ramble about that for like 5 pages.
And even in my last post there is a quick explanation of my overall point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIAagent11

Many declare to know there is no god without evidence.
Saying you know something without evidence is having faith.
And I point out that declaring to be against religion, and following a faith is not knowing what you talk about.

Paris · #53 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIAagent11

Hi Paris. Nice to see you.

What do you mean? I ramble about that for like 5 pages.
And even in my last post there is a quick explanation of my overall point.

Hi CIAagent11. Sorry I missed that part. Thanks for pointing it out. So perhaps you would say the USA had faith about WMD's being in Iraq post 911. How many CIA agents used to believe Saddam had them? Doesn't it say something about the CIA?

CIAagent11 · #54 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paris

Hi CIAagent11. Sorry I missed that part. Thanks for pointing it out. So perhaps you would say the USA had faith about WMD's being in Iraq post 911. How many CIA agents used to believe Saddam had them? Doesn't it say something about the CIA?

Yes.
Whenever you think to know something that you can't know, it's faith.
Though I would call that example a mistake, or misleading (or being mislead), or even lying.

The CIA is always right.

REDRUM · #55 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIAagent11

21% of aheists believe in god
Doesn't it say something about a movement if such a large part of it doesnt even know what its about?

I've been a practicing Christian for 25 years and I've "butted heads" with many atheists through the years. Not one of them I encountered believe in heaven or prayed once a week. I'm inclined to believe the poll data is flawed, my 2 cents.

Quote:

Atheism is the absence or rejection of belief in deities, or the explicit view that there are no deities.[1][2][3][4]

Many atheists are skeptical of all supernatural beings and cite a lack of empirical evidence for the existence of deities. Others argue for atheism on philosophical, social or historical grounds. Many atheists tend toward secular philosophies such as humanism[5] and naturalism,[6], but, as for theists, there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere.[7] Some religions, such as Jainism and Buddhism, do not require belief in a personal god.

The term atheism originated as a pejorative epithet applied to any person or belief in conflict with established religion.[8][9] With the spread of freethought, scientific skepticism, and criticism of religion, the term began to gather a more specific meaning and has been increasingly used for self-description by atheists.

Link

rodog · #56 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIAagent11

The Bible is filles with scientific impossibilities.
That does not disprove it.

How inaccurate does the divinely inspired word of God have to be before you consider it disproven?

Quote:

I'm sorry to say, but you admit that you don't seem know what a scientific proof is.

Then by all means enlighten me.

Quote:

Yes, but you don't address my point.
You said, that I dont know what atheism is. Your argument for that is that 21% does not constitute most?
True, but that is not my only argument.

Many so-called atheists don't know what they talk about, even if that study didn't exist.
There are a few reasons. Mainly that it is a popular movement and popular movements are often followed by many who are ignorant to its real meaning.

And your evidence for your otherwise baseless claim that most atheists don't know what their talking about is that 21% of atheists aren't in fact atheists? You also assert that people are atheist because it is "popular". You make that assumption based on what?

Quote:

Many declare to know there is no god without evidence.
Saying you know something without evidence is having faith.
And I point out that declaring to be against religion, and following a faith is not knowing what you talk about.

Well I guess it's a good thing most atheists don't claim to KNOW anything then.

Quote:

Then what is your argument for me not knowing what atheism is?

Anyone who says that someone who does believe in God IS an atheist doesn't know what atheism is. Sounds like to me you are backtracking from that.

Quote:

I suggest you start reading here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

Just because it isn't there doesn't mean you can disprove it.

'Not scientific' is a term someone else came up with, I think it is supposed to mean 'not true'.

I honestly don't have a clue what your trying to say here.

Quote:

To proove there is a talking snake, you would have to find one, or deduct its existence mathematically from something else that is proven.
You can't really prove there is no talking snake. How to do that?
You can argue that it is very unlikely, but you cant proove it.

Fair enough. Until someone finds something so utterly ridiculous as a talking snake I'll go the rational route and assume such a thing doesn't exist rather then assume it does.

Joe1991 · #57 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheChief

21% of people are retarded...

Wow, I thought the number of conservative would be a bit higher than 21%.

CIAagent11 · #58 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 01:27 PM

rodog, I think this boils down to semantics.

You use the word proof in another meaning than me. What I think you mean with it is something like "very accurate", I use it in the original scientific meaning.
A real proof can almost never happen in sciences outside of mathematics.
Proof is not a matter of degree of accuracy.

You can google the definitions for yourself.

I have already addressed all your other points, just read it there, I will not repeat it again.

Joker · #59 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HelloDollyLlama

Either folks are misinterpreting the word "atheist" or they're lumping in agnostics as well.

It doesn't matter: scientific fact has refuted the Bible, completely. The Bible has been proved wrong over and over again, not only on science and fact and logic and history, but also on morality (read Joshua if you doubt it). You don't need a poll to tell you the Biblical God has no basis in reality, anymore than you need a poll to tell you what two plus two equals.

Actually, you're wrong. Take the Exodus story, for example. Scientific evidence has shown that all the events detailed in the story were quite possible.

Paris · #60 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIAagent11

Yes.
Whenever you think to know something that you can't know, it's faith.
Though I would call that example a mistake, or misleading (or being mislead), or even lying.

The CIA is always right.

I see. So the CIA made a mistake about WMD's or simply lied (faithfully); but according to you the 21% of atheists in your poll were correct about God and just told the truth. Is this your conclusion?

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode