I am trying to discredit atheists.
I don't like their methods and I think they are hypocrites in always being so high and mighty with science as the only true answer to everything yet beliving in stuff like global warming and aliens.
I don't like them attacking christianity all the time while having no problem with jihad.
I am not religious at all, I would call myself an agnostic not believing and blissfully not caring.

I see that you will be someone I will agree to disagree a lot with, Paris.

I don't think that eliminating religion would relult in any more peace. Human kind would just find something else to fight about.
Like different brands of atheism, ever saw that South Park episode?

Not to mention that worldwide atheism is impossible. You can only end christianity, which you people seem to be pretty successfull with.
I guess the jihadists are happy about atheists in western countries, they do the dirty work for them so they can step in at the right moment.

I guess I would be a religionist, always defending religion, despite not being religious.

I too think that everyone should have the right to practice what they want.
But it's atheists who are the ones who are attacking christians (not: religions, see above).
There is some battle going forth and back, but atheists are the militant ones.
If you are not, good for you. Actually we completely agree on matters of faith.

My belief is closer to that of the atheists than to that of the religious. Why do you think I took up arms against atheists, if they are the ones being unfairly attacked?

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I guess an anti-church agnostic.

I don't think so...
Just accept that 21% of self declared atheists are stupid or not really atheists.
Nothing wrong with that. The movement is just 21% smaller.

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Thats admirable. I myself come from a devout Roman Catholic background, however I choose to strive for bettering myself in this world rather than fall for an illusion and a justification of poverty. Even from my own family my views are highly disrespected. Though what actually confirms my believe in the non-existance of God is that I ahve read the Qu'ran and the Bible and it seems to confirm it to me.


Now Society as the Spectacle on the other hand

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> Positively the most rascist thing I have read on this forum.

I guess there will always be some nastyness and sniping forth and back.
If you think about it, it is sort of self fulfilling that the faiths we have today are 'mean' and trying to indoctrinate everyone into their belief.
If they didn't, they would not have made it to so far.

I didn't get that last sentence??

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I didn't mean to say that I would find it desirable or possible to eliminate religion. I find it interesting that the percentage is so high because that would mean a significant number of the people who believe religion causes problems would, themselves, be religious. I just wonder how many of these people are referring to other religions exclusively and how many recognize that many religions have caused major problems at various times in history, most likely including thier own.

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I think the problem is not God, but more about organize religion.

People in general do believe in a God or a supreme being they just don't like organize religion.

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Yes. It is interesting. I guess that bad things are what comes to mind first about any subject.
It's like we always worry about what we don't have instead of being happy about what we have.
So when faced with such a question many answer: shure, religion causes more problems than good.

Religions have caused major problems at various times in history.
But I think that is focused on too much. Overall religion has been beneficial to mankind.
Early man would never have made it if not for illogical belief in falsehood.
That does of course not mean that it's still good now.
I think that overall christianity was the only ting keeping europe together throught the medieval ages.
Imagine a world where not the anglo-american culture is dominant, but islam.

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Yeah ok. But that is not atheism.
If you call yourself atheist but believe in "a God or a supreme being just not organized religion", they misunderstood what it is about.

Like a philanthrope hating people.

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I was reffering to my favourite(oops European english ) book by Guy DeBord

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> Positively the most rascist thing I have read on this forum.

Anyone reasonable will recognize that a lot of their positions cause problems, especially if they are done incorrectly.

Capitalists surely recognize that capitalism caused the dismal conditions for workers during the Industrial Revolution.

Communists will recognize the inherent problems in instituting and maintaining a system that is truly communist.

I am willing to admit that I consider atheism dangerous to the "unenlightened".(Yes, I'm feeling arrogant) A lot of religious people don't understand where morales come from if not religion. You can have them, I certainly do. But if they don't understand now, there is little chance of them suddenly understanding if they become atheists. And you don't really want a lot of those kind running around.

I don't think religion is a defining factor in fighting wars.

My favorite Naziquote on the subject:

Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. [But the leaders can always make them]
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

They may have been clinically insane, evil, vile and generally the biggest (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s in history, but they knew their stuff.(Do I now call Godwin's Law on myself?)

But I do believe that on a smaller scale, a hate crime scale, that it will have an impact. Probably not a gargantuan one, there will always be idiots that find a reason to be violent. But sometimes all you can do is make it as hard as possible.

But I don't believe that outlawing religion would do this. So the point is kind of academic.