What do you want me to agree with you on exactly, that 21% of self declared atheists are stupid or not really atheists? Maybe so . . .

But then look at the bright side, it means 79% of them are strong atheists, not stupid. Can you believe it, no need for WMD's agent?

james blood, you do make a lot of sense when not irritated to the point of repeating catchphrases.

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Not really that much...
Maybe a few of my points here:
- Many so-called atheists are only militant anti-christians, not having a problem with other religions, mainly islam.
- Many so-called atheists are in fact religious because claim to know the non-existence of god
- Many so-called atheists are only a band-wagon jumpers following the fashion not knowing what the movement really is about
- Many so-called atheists only want to call themselves enlightened by looking down at faith in christianity, yet they have no problem with the hip left-wing "faiths"

Hmm

I guess. But I wouldn't say that 79% of them are strong atheists.
There are still all sorts of other flaws in with the movement, see above.

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This is something I won't back down on. But seriously, what am I going to do? Protest in front of the kebap shop in our town? They're the only fast food place worth going to there. The local church on the other hand makes no contribution, but finds plenty of ways to (*)(*)(*)(*) me off. For example I have to pay church tax unless I declare myself an atheist. Officially. Which costs time, money and most imprtantly brain cells because I have to talk to government officials. I received mandatory 8 years of religious education and a couple mandatory visits a year to the church. These things affect me personally. Yeah, it sucks that muslims are stoning each other and stuff. Just today there was a report about a forced marriage in Spain where the guy was three times as old and kept raping the girl. Its horrible. But its also not my problem. As long as Christians are only nasty to Christians, thats fine. Well, not fine, but a victory with which I could live. But they are directly nasty to me, while Muslims present no threat to me what so ever. THAT's why i APPEAR ant-christian.

I'll give you this one, although I still find calling it religious a stretch. But yeah, denying a God with absolute faith, while in my opinion favorable to the oposite, is still technical illogical.

[quote=CIAagent11;1224858- Many so-called atheists are only a band-wagon jumpers following the fashion not knowing what the movement really is about[/QUOTE]

Again, dubious. Yeah, there are people who say they are atheists because they think its cool and not because they thought about it. There are probably even many. But its not a movement. Its pretty much the oposite of a movement. Yeah, we may come together to discuss or protest some things, but even anarchists do that. But we don't have a leader, we don't have any rules, we don't have any acceptance or initiation process or any other rituals.

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Hip left-wing faiths tend to be left-wing and therefore liberal. Atheists also tend to be liberal. There are once again more pressing matters at hand.
Yes, I feel that atheism is intellectually superior to christianity or any other faith. If I didn't think that, I wouldn't be an atheist. And of course, in a way, I look down on them. But I recognize that Christianity does have advantages, like providing guidance and strength for the weak. And I also recognize that some Christians are my superior in other regards.



[quote=CIAagent11;1224858I guess. But I wouldn't say that 79% of them are strong atheists.
There are still all sorts of other flaws in with the movement, see above.[/QUOTE]

We still only have 6% defecting:P

lol We're supposed to come to this conclusion based on this little statistic? No chance in HELL.

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Ouhhh, James. Muslims present a huge threat to you. Not all of them. Only the radicals.
It seems you are not very aware of the current islamic conquista of europe.
That is not a crackpot theory. Really not. Really.
May I, respectfully, reccomend to you America Alone by Mark Steyn.

It explains very nice how europe is shifting towards being islamic within the next generation or so, and its an easy and entertaining read.
Its mostly about demographics. But also about the tactics of 'silent jihad'.

You are probably not going to pick up some book because somebody on a forum recommends it to you, so I found a segment on a radio talk show where they had the author on.

They had him on AnG a while ago, I found that segment for you.
It's right at the beginning.

Fair enough. I disagree though.

yes exactly. All I critizise, is picking on one faith because its so stupid to believe in something that cant be proven and being convinced of another faith that is just as unproven.
But I don't say that you do that.
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I tryed to convince you through other arguments, and we disagree. That is fine.
But that this one statistic isn't saying a lot, does not equate to my overall point being wrong.

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Get kindle to support Germany and I'd be reading the first chapter right now! Stupid friggin amazon....Unfortunately its late and I have a horrible listening attention span. I might listen tomorrow. Or later today, to be more precise^^

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A Canadian?
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Canada could have had American technology, British culture and French food. Instead it has American culture, British food and French technology.
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A film- and music critic? Why is he talking about demographics, politics and Islam in a book?

A con/neocon? And he's islamophobic? Why, imagine my complete lack of surprise. Believe me, I know the demographics full well, and we are far from being overrun or endangered. If discrimination against non-muslims started and people started leaving, the place would instantly become a third world country. Even if muslims become a majority, they are far away from being able to run a country. Christians own all the companies, probably 95% of politicians are Christian, all the professors are Christian, nearly all doctors etc. If these people all leave, Germany will be far worse off than Turkey, where most of our Muslims are from. And there is absolutely no way that is going to change in a generation.
I mean, I believe it is largely accepted fact that intelligence and drive for success is passed along largely from parents to children, whether hereditary or by social conditioning, connections, I don't care. The people coming here aren't the ultra-successful people, or they wouldn't be leaving home. Obviously, that effect is diminished over many generations and the success rate turns to normal again. But even among blacks in the US this hasn't happened completely and they've been there a lot longer than we have Turks.
(and no, this is not racist, it is merely stating the fact that, for whatever reason, blacks are not on average as wellplaced in society)

They may gain a majority, but we'll be the ones in real power for a looooong time.

Edit: That rant was far more centered on the book than I intended, but I kinda lost focus. To the wiki thing, I do the Germanwiki because wiki articles on foreign matters tend to be less biased. People don't care as much:P

What do you mean by the faith thing? We "allow" left-wing hippie faiths because they agree with us. What do we care why they do it. 6x7 is 42, regardless of whether you did the math or you just really like Douglas Adams.

If you're talking about atheism, well I have a whole truck load of arguments why I consider it more likely/better to believe in, for example that I find it arrogant to assume that, even should it exist, an all-mighty, omniscient deity would take interest in my life. I also find it incredibly unlikely that the deity I pick happens to be the right one, considering that there are infinite possibilities. I can go on and on. And I've come to the conclusion that it's not worth it, I might as well not believe in a God and live the life of a sinful hedonist with a good conscience(which I don't, before people come screaming about my lack of morales).

He has multiple facettes. He also is a film and music critic. I think that's a little misleading, I never really heared much of that.

The neocon thing is just to discredit him. Nobody uses that exept in negative.

Everyone who criticizes islam is called islamophobic. That's the tactic.
That the country would become a third world country does not mean that it cant be overrun.
I would argue that discrimination by muslims is already there, it's just ignored by media and politicians.
In germany there is another problem that adds to the mess. - The neonazis are pretty much the only ones warning about islamisation.
And whatever the neonazis are pitching, everybody else is automatically against.

Why islamists would have real power is what the book is about. I think it might be interesting for you. I was amazed how scary things really look. I didn't have a clue.


I'm the last one calling anybody racist. Calling everybody racist all the time does nor dammage than real racism. I think we should be allowed to make remarks about race.
And I totally agree with your points.
I wish you were right. But I don't share that optimism. The islamists (note: not muslims) use so many dirty tricks. And the european politicians are all too willing to give in to them to make them go away for another day.

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I was at a seminar about giving speeches once. The teacher told us there are certain expressions that are incredibly polite ways of saying he doesn't know anything about any topic, but he likes to talk about, like "He has great rhetorical skill." He has multiple facettes is another one
Seriously, I'll defer to an expert unless I sense outright bull(*)(*)(*)(*)ting, which experts are known for doing sometimes. But this guy isn' one.

Even if he's just a con, it still doesn't surprise me. And if you know of a less placative term than islamophobic, let me know. Otherwise, refer to my shiny new signature.

No, it just means that it would be stupid and stupid for everyone that participates.

Well, that argument is kind of moot, isn't it. If we listen to the media we might be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed, if we listen to the Neonazis, we're guaranteed to be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed. I'll take my chances with the Muslims.

I didn't take you for the type to be scared by a single book I'm seriously considering checking it out though.


And there you have another problem. The islamist population is a lot smaller than the muslim population, similar to not all Germans being Nazis. Come to think of it, we should build a big arena, throw in our Neonazis and the islamists, last man standing goes to jail for hate-crime. Problem solved

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Awesome sentence.

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