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Old 03-09-2009, 07:20 AM
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21% of aheists believe in god
Doesn't it say something about a movement if such a large part of it doesnt even know what its about?
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21% of aheists believe in god
Doesn't it say something about a movement if such a large part of it doesnt even know what its about?
Either folks are misinterpreting the word "atheist" or they're lumping in agnostics as well.

It doesn't matter: scientific fact has refuted the Bible, completely. The Bible has been proved wrong over and over again, not only on science and fact and logic and history, but also on morality (read Joshua if you doubt it). You don't need a poll to tell you the Biblical God has no basis in reality, anymore than you need a poll to tell you what two plus two equals.
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Either folks are misinterpreting the word "atheist" or they're lumping in agnostics as well.
No theyre not.
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It doesn't matter: scientific fact has refuted the Bible, completely. The Bible has been proved wrong over and over again, not only on science and fact and logic and history, but also on morality (read Joshua if you doubt it). You don't need a poll to tell you the Biblical God has no basis in reality, anymore than you need a poll to tell you what two plus two equals.
Okay, all that miracles and parting of the sea stuff is not scientific.
But saying the bible has been scientificly been proven wrong is just dishonest.
I said this a few times around here: Declaring your personal opinion as fact makes one question all you say, even when true.

Let christians have their belief. I let you believe in the religion of atheism, rather anti-christianism.
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21% of aheists believe in god
Doesn't it say something about a movement if such a large part of it doesnt even know what its about?
If they believe in God, they aren't atheists. If a man tells you he's German, but he has a Japanese birth certificate, passport, nothing but Japanese ancestors for the past 30 generations, and is monolingual in Japanese, do you believe him when he says he's German? No, you think "this guy is a liar."

So, at best, these atheists are most likely just self-described and are really just Christians trying to "get back" at God.

Plus: this study does not describe its methodology at all, so, I'd take its results with more than a few grains of salt.
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21% of aheists believe in god
Doesn't it say something about a movement if such a large part of it doesnt even know what its about?
Someone is doing it wrong. Either the data has been misrepresented in the poll, or the people being polled don't really understand what an atheist is.

If someone believes in God, then they're not an atheist, whether they call themselves one or not. Simple as that.
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If they believe in God, they aren't atheists. If a man tells you he's German, but he has a Japanese birth certificate, passport, nothing but Japanese ancestors for the past 30 generations, and is monolingual in Japanese, do you believe him when he says he's German? No, you think "this guy is a liar."
Once again Akhlut, you beat me to it.
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Let christians have their belief. I let you believe in the religion of atheism, rather anti-christianism.
Were you one of the people being polled? You obviously don't know what an atheist is either.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a God. In other words, the opposite of a religion. Atheism is also not against religion, that would be anti-theism. Sure there are some atheists who are also anti-theists, but they are two separate concepts.
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Looking at the data helps. 12 percent of those 21 believe in an impersonal force, which can basically mean anything, including kharma, and 3 percent say they don't know. That both still qualifies as atheist. The remaining 6% are weird though.
They also didn't give the actual question, which might have ranged from:"Do you believe in a God?" to "Do you consider the existence of a God possible?" Might account for the 6%.

Edit: Mormons are the only ones with a perfect score, although even they have 2% "Don't know/Other". And "Don't know" is weak atheism.

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