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Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and
ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a
man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering, and yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you
need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the
will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

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[quote="verypudelyyours";p="114637"]I didn't think these up, they were emailed to me:

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.


That's a belief in all religions.....everyone thinks that theirs is the correct one. What's your point?


9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.


So we've been around for millions of years now....yet we still can't fly out of the solar system with a maned spacecraft. Did you know that just a mere 200 years ago there was no electricity? Or how about 100 years ago there were no freeways or mass transit......heck, I'll do you one better. The INTERNET was in it's infancy stage less than 10 years ago......remember compuserve? we have learned sooooo much in just the past 500 years and you're going to sit there are tell me that scientist think we've been around millions and millions of years and yet we're still dying of cancer???? I think not!


8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.


Correction....I PRAY for not only polytheist, but atheist as well.....

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus"

(except those who followed his command with the lambs blood on their doorway)

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ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

there sure was allot of that in Joshua, 1st and 2nd Kings.....allot of heads being chopped off. Sometimes allot of it doesn't make sense to me, other than God was shaping the lands and the people and back then it seemed like things would have to get rather drastic before people would follow God's will with no questions asked....


6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a
man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.


You have a couple of things wrong. God did not come down and 'sleep' with Mary as you are insinuating. Mary's pregnancy with Jesus fulfilled a scripture that was written some 500 years before it happened. So I guarantee you didn't have a bunch of people waiting around to start a conspiracy theory on the birth of the Messiah. What did they do, read about Isaiah's Prophesy in a book they picked up at Barns and Noble?

2nd.....Jesus was NOT killed. He gave his life. There is a HUGE difference. The Jews did not kill Christ.....I'm sorry but they didn't have that power to do so. As we've learned in the Old Testament (like Joshua we were just discussing) the only true sacrifice happens when blood is shed. In this case, Christ had to choose to die.....for us. You're talking about someone who healed the Lame, rose the dead, commanded the seas, preached Parables that if applied will work even in today's complex world. Trust me when I say that Christ could have ended the events on Good Friday faster than you can say STOP! But he in fact GAVE his perfect life so that our imperfect lives could be saved and Satan could no longer keep us hostage. Jesus paid the ransom with His life.....


5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

See my point about man being here for millions and millions of years.......we've been here that long and THIS is all the far that we've gone???? That's pretty sad.



4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering, and yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


I have news for you.......You were already destined to that life of suffering. I was, everyone was. WAS that is until Christ came. But it's all about freewill. It's something that people have to decide on their own. Religion is the single biggest thing that can and does keep people from having a true personal relationship with God.....



3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you
need to "prove" Christianity.

I don't speak or understand tongues. If there was evidence that is indisputable about God's existence then we wouldn't need faith. Loving God is all about NOT putting your trust in the things that you can see.....because what you see will NOT last forever. But the things you cannot see can. You must have Faith. None of us on earth is ever going to 'prove' Christianity. In fact I wouldn't want some scientist to 'prove' it. There's quite a few missing links in science too....and everytime we turn around some do gooder is rewriting history....so I wouldn't want to put much stock in that either.



2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the
will of God.

High success rate of Prayer is to engage in conversation. At first it will seem like you're the one doing all the talking......but after a while you can feel the things that God lays on your heart.......now THAT's successful Prayer. God says pray.......he doesn't give statistical data on how He's going to answer prayers. The object is to line your path in God's will and you will find yourself asking allot less of him for yourself and allot more for others.....



1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

Satan knows the scriptures better than any Christian alive on earth.....but the Scriptures are still true.......

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It points out the absurd distorted beliefs and hypocrisy of fundamentalistchristians.

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And your source for this is the Bible? The Bible is not a valid historical document. You're perfectly within your rights to have the beliefs you have. But don't kid yourself that they're rational. Baptised as a Catholic and confirmed as a Lutheran, I don't kid myself that the Bible is based on FACT, and anyone who doesn't know this is an idiot. I accept that there's an element of irrationality in any kind of belief, but put it to one side. It's a much healthier perspective.

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10) I think the point is the responses to #s 1-9
9) Yeah. I know all those things. And your point is....?
Fine, go for it.
7) Nothing of interest here.
6) Fulfilled a scripture? From 500 years earlier? Say what? Soothsayers?
5) Let's see, here you state how sad it is that "this" is all we have to show for our existing millions of years. But... but in #9 to glorify (like that word?) how much we've accomplished in just 10 years, or 100 years. OK.
4) I was not destined for anything, that much is certain, and these ramblings cannot alter that fact.
3) Then I'm curious as to why so many do-gooders knock on my door, call me on the phone, interrupt my life, and skirt paying property taxes, all in the name of god, and in an effort to persuade me to "see the light"....
2) High success rate of prayer is to engage in conversation", which I do quite a bit. I don't consider my conversation as prayer, and I don't believe that those with whom I'm conversing do either. Nothing has been lain upon my heart, and I'm pretty sure that my path isn't lined with much of anything. (I thought you didn't speak tongues?)
1) Oh..... what do I do with this one then?

but see, THAT'S the point. You will not find indesputable proof that God is real. If you did you wouldn't need Faith. So please, lets stop searching for God in our libraries and history books.......you won't find him there...at least in the context of proof.

You original statement was about people that don't know the scripture and yet call themselves Christians. My counterpoint to that was that Satan himself knows the scriptures.....you cannot qualify yourself to be a Christian because you've read all the scripture, or done more good deeds than bad......Christianity is a gift. At this point it should be rather obvious that you and I will not live up to the Glory of God. No matter how hard you try, you will sin and break some of the commandments. The enemy wants you to think that there is no God. He wants you to believe that we're all her by chance. He's going out of his way to harden your heart and persicute Christians like you're doing on this board. Why? why all this detail to you???

Because you have a purpose in life.....on this planet. God has a purpose for you and the enemy's plans are to fill your head with this stuff so that you lose sight........and it's working so far. But I'll continue to pray......

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The point being that the scientific theory of humans evolving from other life forms over the course of millions and millions of years is void of reason. We as humans have learned so much in just a matter of 500 years. Had we truly been around the millions that the science community believes we wouldn't still be dying of cancer.....our technology would be unimaginable.....

I was putting his original statement in context. Those that may not know that scriptures can base an opinion off of what he wrote and what he wrote was not accurate.


That's the first time I've ever heard to Isiah as a 'soothsayer'....roger I'm willing to post the scripture if you would like to read it......please let me know and I'll post it for you


well at least you used the word 'Glorify"....that's a start...hee hee. Roger my point being that we would have accomplish much more had we actually been around the millions of years that the science community thinks we have. Now the basis of my theory is the fact that we have accomplished so much in just a short amount of time in today's world......basically that humans have a very fast learning curve. Fact is that we should be way more advance had we actually been around the 'millions' of years that the scientist believe....


please answer this true or false question: are you going to die someday? Let's 'assume' that your answer is true. Is that not a destiny?



I can't speak for other Churches....but ours in not a believer in bothering people at their homes. We're never going to reach out that way.....that kind of stuff just turns people off.....just as you've stated. Now the property tax thing is kind of interesting. Jesus said in the Bible to give God what is God's and give Cesar (meaning the government at that time) what is Cesar's. Most Christians will agree that statement was Jesus' way of saying, Pay your taxes. On many counts in the New Testament (and Old) we are given teachings that favor following and submitting to the leaders of the land. So I'm not too sure where you're coming from on the skipping property tax thing.......certainly skipping out on paying your taxes is NOT Biblical.



hee hee......have to agree with you Roger.....I didn't do a very good job of wording that. The conversation that I'm referring to is a conversation with God. I'm not a believer that one has to pray a certain way, or style. God hears you just like your talking to someone here on earth. Hey it might sound a little coo-coo and crazy.....but so do half the things we do here on this planet. It's amazing the feeling that God will put on your heart when you're having a normal conversation with him. You can talk about anything....about the kind of day it is outside....about who won the Super Bowl....how things are going at work/school.



sorry....not following you there.....

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Firstly, let me say that I do appreciate your civility and sincerity.

However, on #9 (and therefore, #5) I simply disagree with you. I believe that evolution is a compounding, and lengthy process, and I do not consider it void of reason in the least bit. Humans are still dying of cancer, but not of many other ailments, accidents, sicknesses, etc. that humans have found cures or remedies for over the millenia. And I'm sure there are MANY that we're not even aware of. Diseases die out or are cured, and others crop up. I don't imagine AIDS existed 400-1000 years ago (don't know this, but am just assuming). This falls directly under the umbrella of evolution, and these are all part of the evolutionary process. The human population of the planet is now somewhere in the 6 billion range. 20 years ago it was under 4 billion. It is possible that in another 20 years the population will be under 3 billion again. Then again, it may be over 9 billion.

But I find it most curious your statement that we stop looking for evidence of a god in our history books. An admirable statement, but what is the bible? The Koran/Quran? The myriad of other human writings that are used by us to profess knowledge of the truth? Are these not also books written by humans, and therefore only as meaningful as any other, no?

As for the skirting taxes thing, at least in the U.S., is it not true that an organization only need to declare (and prove) itself an institution of religion in order to skirt a %age of property taxes, sales taxes, and income (collection plate, or the folks who are on my doorstep every week) taxes. ("not for profit").

Am I going to die someday? I can only assume that I am, based on scientific, biological, statistical, and historical evidence. I guess I don't really understand what you were trying to say regarding that. Apparently you believe that my death is a destiny. OK, I guess it's a destiny. Does that mean that my hair is going to grow longer is also a destiny? No follow here either, sorry.

As for #1.... I was only trying to point out that I wasn't following your reply on that one.

Roger......

This might be a bit easier if we just take these babies on one at a time.......if we're trying to debate several points at once we could lose some things......with your permission I'd like to have a go at this one first.....


without God the only purpose that you are here on this earth to do is die. I guarantee that every person that's ever lived has eventually died and all of us that are alive or going to be alive will someday die. Right now the only destiny that you are guaranteed is a hole in the ground. It does not matter what you do or don't accomplish, it does not matter how much you love or don't love, or who loves you, it doesn't matter how much wealth you acquire, it does not matter how many books you read, or how many Starbucks you drink, or just downright nice things you do for others.......your destination will not change. So I have to ask......why do we fuss over stuff??? I'm not saying that YOU, Roger, per say stress out, I'm asking why as humans do we always strive to do better. Why can't this world complete us if this is all were ever going to have? It's a natural instinct.....we always want better and more. There's no shame there.......it's true. I'm not just talking about material possessions. Isn't there a person in the world that you just always want to be around???? and spend more time with this person? How about food??? Every find yourself wanting more? Of course.....we all do. It's natural. So.....why then can't this world complete us? I'm not saying that certain individuals are not pleased and content with what they have.....that's too simple. I'm talking about Humans as species. We never have enough.....we're never complete on this world.

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Certainly, one at a time is likely a good idea.

I really have a problem with your first sentence. I believe that my life does have a purpose, and I am fulfilling it. How depressing to think that my life would have no purpose except to die! I don't find myself so depressed as this, I believe most humans don't have any difficulty in finding a purpose, and, speaking for myself, I feel that I am quite complete actually. I truly have enjoyed my life and I'm willing and ready for the inevitable. The books that we read, the food that we eat, the Starbucks that we (don't) drink, are all there as simply contributing to our enjoyment, that's all. These are our choices, as humans.