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Perhaps you should not be so hypocritical. It really discredits your "arguments"; what little of them you have time to make amidst your constant bellows of hate.
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Stalin the atheist (I know how to spell the word) starved, tortured, and killed 20,000,000 to 40,000,000 of his own citizens. Chairman Mao the atheist far exceeded that number. Please give me two "ruthless religious leaders" who killed greater numbers. No hurry. Take your time. I'll hold in reserve the godless left, which constantly attacks the "Christian right" and which should therefore take the name opposite "Christian right" which would logically be "godless left." Now the godless left, overwhelmingly members of the Democrat Party, is responsible for 30,000,000 + dead babies, butchered in the name of "choice."
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What's this "we" stuff, Tonto? Why don't you get started. I offered up Stalin, with 20,000,000 to 40,000,000 deaths on his atheist hands. I named Chairman Mao, who was as beloved and as far left as Barack Oblammy. Mao murdered perhaps 60,000,000. But who's counting. Name ONE "self professed religious" person who murdered just 10,000,000.
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Interesting. I have to say, Bozo has a point. The biggest killers of all time have been aetheists. But, GfP also has a good point. aetheism hasn't been a motive for the killing, and religion has been a motive for many, many, wars and much killing.
So, what does that mean? I'm not sure. And maybe it is too small of a sample to draw conclusions. But, one thing I would note is that almost all wars and all genocide have been started by somebody that was an absolutist. Whether you're talking about the crusades, WW2, the purges in the USSR, genocide anywhere, terrorism, or the war in Vietnam, the people that started them all believed, without leaving any room for doubt, that their way of life, economic system, government, race or religion was categorically better than somebody else's. And they were so worked up about that belief that they thought that it was justifiable to kill thousands or millions to enforce that belief. If all of them share one flaw it is the unquestioning belief that one person can be absolutely in the right and that those who oppose them must therefore be evil. Leaving open the possibility that there might be another perspective on the things you believe is, in my opinion, the highest possible moral value, and you can see what happens when that value is lost.
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However, we have stories like this to deal with from theists: A pedophile priest was "only giving the boy anatomy lessons." A Christian man was stoned to death in Pakistan for drinking tea at a Muslims-only roadside stall. An Oregon couple let their 15-month-old child die of pneumonia when they refused medical treatment, instead preferring to "pray" for healing. Eight people drowned a 22-year-old woman, a mother of two, while attempting to exorcise a curse on her. A Muslim woman starved her child to death after deciding that the girl was possessed by a demon. A mother in Maryland starved a child to death for refusing to say "amen." She now expects him to be resurrected. That hasn't happened yet. 50 people looking for an image of the Virgin Mary in the sun went blind from staring into the harmful rays. Two Jehovah's Witnesses went on a 13-person killing spree to rid the world of "sinners." Radical Muslims killed an Islamic Mullah for preaching against suicide bombings. Yay, religion. Can you post one story of an atheist murdering a family member or stranger for their failure to believe in evolution or the scientific method?
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