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Old 06-21-2005, 10:37 AM
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Default Creationism: Gods Gift to the Ignorant

I dont usually post articles, but this one is just great. Richard Dawkins has tons of amazing books out there on everything from genetics to what he thinks the future will bring. I suggest you look him up!!

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I can't really argue with those few words: God's Gift to the Ignorant. Creationists are Ignorant to any other ideals except for Creationism. I haven't met one person that says god COULD HAVE the concept of evolution, or god created apes, and planned for them to evolve. It's a flawed concept that God went "click", and created the universe, and it shouldn't be a part of our government like some insist it should.
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I and several other Christians on this site have said exactly that, that they can co-exist. On the other hand, I have never heard any who support evolution say creationism is possible. Guess it shows who is more open minded doesn't it. The fighting of teaching it in schools is solely because creationism can't be taught in schools. One good turn...
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I have never heard any who support evolution say creationism is possible.
That's because creationism assumes the existence of a God, and rational human beings tend to realize that there is no evidence to suggest the existence of a God. Since it is provability and not disprovability that we use to determine the existence of something, rational human beings assume that God doesn't exist.
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which is why it's now point proven that it is your side of the fence that lacks the open mind. Creationism can be as proven as evolution, both are a matter of opinion. Nothing more or less.
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First, you can't prove a negative. Second, I'd suggest that the most rational minds don't come down hard on either side but suggest that evidence is sorely lacking from both sides of the line.
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... rational human beings tend to realize that there is no evidence to suggest the existence of a God.
Do you honestly think there is nothing to suggest God exists?
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both are a matter of opinion.
One opinion has zero evidence backing it up, and one has quite a considerable amount of it.

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First, you can't prove a negative.
Exactly, which is why we place the burden of proof on the party that claims the existence of something, not the party that claims its nonexistence.

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Second, I'd suggest that the most rational minds don't come down hard on either side but suggest that evidence is sorely lacking from both sides of the line.
It's not the job of the party claiming nonexistence to provide evidence. By your logic, we should say the same for Santa and invisible pink unicorns.

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Yes. There is absolutely no evidence suggesting God's existence.
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One opinion has zero evidence backing it up, and one has quite a considerable amount of it.
I'd say there is at least a little evidence in regards to evolution, more than zero anyway.

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Exactly, which is why we place the burden of proof on the party that claims the existence of something, not the party that claims its nonexistence.
And that proof has been met, at least to the same extent of evolution.

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It's not the job of the party claiming nonexistence to provide evidence. By your logic, we should say the same for Santa and invisible pink unicorns.
Ok, evolution does not exist.
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I'd say there is at least a little evidence in regards to evolution, more than zero anyway.
Exactly -- evolution has evidence, whereas creationism does not.

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And that proof has been met, at least to the same extent of evolution.
No it hasn't, because there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that God exists, whereas there is ample evidence in support of the theory of evolution.

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Ok, evolution does not exist.
1. http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html
2. The scientific method disagrees with you.
3. That's not an argument for creationism, just against evolution. Even if you could demonstrate that evolution wasn't real, you couldn't demonstrate that creationism was.
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