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Old 07-28-2005, 12:48 PM
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OK isn't religon like kinda boring??? I suppose people need something to believe in....i personally find the notion impossible, where is God??? In the clouds???

Im probally a bit biased.....so id like to know what motivates people to follow a certain belief....

ALSO don't you all think that religion would be more fun if it involved tonnes of Dungeons and Dragons style Gods???? Becuase to me paganist style Gods of fire or war etc are far more believable than 1 single God.

(don't tell me im missing the whole point behind religion)
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I personally find religion confusing, as I am far too logical to accept something without proof. But that's just me. Boring? I personally quite enjoy going to events of the Religious Society of Friends (quakers), and they throw AWESOME parties. :P
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ok...respect to those people...i knew a Quaker once....they Rock
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they do, they do......
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Hello,

Anyone knows the origin and reason for the quote from Karl Marx, "Opium of the People"?

I read it actually derives from Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel:

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Marx’s most famous statement about religion comes from a critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Law:

Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.

SOURCE: http://atheism.about.com/od/philosop...n/a/marx_4.htm
1. Karl Marx is not really Anti-Religion. He simply described that "Religion" is something that will make someone forget their problems.

2. Could someone actually show me where it states: "Religion is the Opium of the People" in any of Karl Marx writings so I could see the whole context.

http://www.marxists.org/

3. Alexis De Tocqueville in "Democracy in America" states about Religion:

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This is especially true of men living in free countries. When the religion of a people is destroyed, doubt gets hold of the higher powers of the intellect and half paralyzes all the others. Every man accustoms himself to having only confused and changing notions on the subjects most interesting to his fellow creatures and himself. His opinions are ill-defended and easily abandoned; and, in despair of ever solving by himself the hard problems respecting the destiny of man, he ignobly submits to think no more about them.

SOURCE: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/ch1_05.htm
4. Similarly, this refers to the answer to Question 23 in the June draft which reads:

“All religions so far have been the expression of historical stages of development of individual peoples or groups of peoples. But communism is the stage of historical development which makes all existing religions superfluous and brings about their disappearance.”

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...in-com.htm#ne1
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Karl Marx has identified "religion" as an illusion because it does not interfere with realms of economics directly. However, it is unfortunate that Karl and Adam Smith has not identified that ISLAM has an economic system along with a belief system. Karl Marx was simply reinterpreting Hegel's philosophical viewpoint of Religion. Karl Marx was simply critiquing WESTERN "religion" which has been misused by the Upper Ruling Class,i.e.KINGS and RULERS of Europe.

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I am far too logical to accept something without proof.
You believe that socialism is a viable economic policy.
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Scandinavian societies seem to do pretty well
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Karl Marx has identified "religion" as an illusion because it does not interfere with realms of economics directly. However, it is unfortunate that Karl and Adam Smith has not identified that ISLAM has an economic system along with a belief system. Karl Marx was simply reinterpreting Hegel's philosophical viewpoint of Religion. Karl Marx was simply critiquing WESTERN "religion" which has been misused by the Upper Ruling Class,i.e.KINGS and RULERS of Europe.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...-hpr/intro.htm
We have a winner. Orthodox and Catholic/Protestant Christianity have as their prime foundation not love but Divine Right of Rule. That's what Constantine loved best about it when he crafted it in his image and likeness in the finest tradition of Roman Emperors whose standard M.O. was to co-opt the religion of the conquered and fix it so that believers are invariably commanded to obey them as either actual gods or installed by God.

As long as there is one Bible anywhere that is held sacred by one person, the Roman Empire hasn't ever really died.
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