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Old 02-23-2007, 09:50 AM
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Default Soviet troops who fought aginst fascists are a gang of bandi

"Soviet troops who fought aginst fascists are a gang of bandits"
An utterance of the Estonian President about the Soviet warriors-liberators.
For already two months the world is anxietly discussing an outrageous intention of the Estonian leadership to demolish a Bronze Soldier monument in the downtown of Tallinn.
The graves of warriors were esteemed at all times, after all. The memory about them has always become the part of the nation's memory.
But the ancient traditions seem to be unfamiliar to actual politicians. It was the following utterance what became the evidence:
"A group of Nazi brigands was banished by another gang - by Soviet troops."
In his interview given to BBC the actual Estonian President ventured to characterize in such a way the historical events connected with the liberation of Estonia from the fascist intervents in 1944.
We consider these words not just an escapade of an irresponsible politician but a provocation, an attempt to embroil the nations, to profane the heroes' memory.
Can we be surprised after such words and such estimations of a great mission of those people, who risked their lives to set Europe free from a fascism, that nowadays happy and prosperous Europeans put on again SS uniform and march on the streets of the Estonian cities?
And why does the public still remain silent?
Why is nobody from the politicians indignant on provocative speeches of president of Estonia?
Why are Jewish organizations not indignant that ideology of fascism is openly popularized in Estonia?
Why are the MASS-MEDIA quiet?

When will the measures on permission of this be accepted, because conflict is passing already to the international level?

We sent many letters with information about glorification of fascism in Estonia encouraged at state level, but we did not received any reaction!




Veterans were prevented from laying the flowers on a Bronze Soldier monument

May flowers be freely placed on graves in Estonia today?
May one revere the memory of fallen heroes without running the danger?

Today, on the 23rd of February, the representatives of a Night Watch movement and a Constitutional party came to do honour to those who fell in the World War II and to lay a wreath ordered by the veteran counsil of a Jewish community of Dnipropetrovsk on a Bronze Soldier monument.

At 11:30 a body of men came to the monument who tried to scatter the flowers and to place an iron wreath with the insulting inscription on the monument instead of them.

As a result a conflict has taken place which has grown into the fight. Not only veterans but also eople who came to place their bunches of flowers to the pedestal took part in it.

The police almost didn't interfere in it.

Present events testify to the intensification of the confict between Estonian nationalists and opponents of the fascism ideology.

Should we watch the current situation with indifference?

Dear ladies and gentlemen! If events what are going on now in the world are not indifferent to you, help to remind how fascism is terrible to reporters and members of parliament, who started to forget it! All information about fascism propaganda in Estonia you can find on a site
www.bronze-soldier.com
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:51 PM
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Default The communists were bandits, to say the least

The Nazis did horrible things, but the communists were far worse. Most Eastern Europeans know this.

The Soviets raped, plundered, and destroyed everything and everyone in their path (including their own); this is the apolitical historical fact.

Moreover, I don't see why anti-communism and nationalism are immediately considered 'fascist'. That's a rather loaded word to use incorrectly
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The Nazis did horrible things, but the communists were far worse. Most Eastern Europeans know this.

The Soviets raped, plundered, and destroyed everything and everyone in their path (including their own); this is the apolitical historical fact.

Moreover, I don't see why anti-communism and nationalism are immediately considered 'fascist'. That's a rather loaded word to use incorrectly
I'd go as far as to say legitimizing the lagacy of the statue, and the gatherings that take place around it constitute a threat to Estonia's sovereignty.
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The Nazis did horrible things, but the communists were far worse. Most Eastern Europeans know this.
Unfortunately I cannot recollect resistance to communists in the East Europe (except for Hungary-56 and Czechoslovakia-6 similar to Civil war in Russia. The communism has been thought up not in Russia, but in the West. And here Russia communism has just won in 1991, as earlier fascism in 1945. The monument in Estonia has not to communists, but Russian soldiers (and not only Russian), who won fascism!
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I'd go as far as to say legitimizing the lagacy of the statue, and the gatherings that take place around it constitute a threat to Estonia's sovereignty.
Nothing threatens the sovereignty of Estonia. Estonia has sold the sovereignty of EU. (presented to it in 1991 Russia)
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The Nazis did horrible things, but the communists were far worse. Most Eastern Europeans know this.
You're depicting Eastern Europeans as complete illiterate idiots.

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The Soviets raped, plundered, and destroyed everything and everyone in their path (including their own); this is the apolitical historical fact.
At least, Soviets were creating power plants, gas/oil pipelines and subway(metropoliten) communications in Baltic States and in Eastern Europe. Nazi built only death camps.

It is normal that you, a clear example of "Generation Pepsi" know nothing about. Better eat hamburgers and listen american propaganda. Do not overload your brain

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Moreover, I don't see why anti-communism and nationalism are immediately considered 'fascist'. That's a rather loaded word to use incorrectly
To see such things, you need to have some basic education and historical knowledges
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