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Old 03-06-2007, 07:02 AM
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Default Why and who spurs on Ukraine to entering into NATO?

Today Ukraine faces the dilemma: to be an independent and free state or join NATO and become a part of US “sanitary cordon”. But present Ukrainian leadership continues to push Ukraine in NATO arms. Why?
Simply our political and business elite sees into Ukraine’s joining NATO as their single guarantee for maintaining their economic positions and political influence. That is why during the Orange revolution our leaders did not advertise their plans of the fastest accession to the Alliance. They understood that they would never come to power under the banner of NATO joining here.
Recent parliamentary elections have again awakened Ukrainian society. Studies of public opinion have left no doubt that only 20% of our population supports the idea of NATO membership. Moreover, the number of opponents of NATO integration outnumbers supporters in all regions, including the western areas of Ukraine, and especially in almost all age groups. But the present power ignores people’s opinion, taking no count of remarks of even its Western colleagues. Even German Ambassador to Ukraine, Reinhardt Shepherds said that it would not be possible to speak of Ukraine’s membership in the alliance when the majority of the population is against the participation in this system of collective security.
So now our authorities had to develop mass propaganda of those so-called “advantages” that Ukraine would be given after joining the Alliance. And simultaneously the guarantor of our Constitution imposes numerous obstacles for realization of our people’s initiative to hold the country’s referendum on the question of practicability of Ukraine’s membership in NATO.
It indicates that Ukrainian people has no other way as to fight for legislating Ukraine’s non-allied status, which was solemnly proclaimed in the Declaration on State Sovereignty of Ukraine, on 16 July 1990, because under current circumstances only realization of the neutral status of Ukraine will be able to create prerequisites for making our state in Switzerland XXI Century.
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Old 03-08-2007, 07:08 AM
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Today Ukraine faces the dilemma: to be an independent and free state or join NATO and become a part of US “sanitary cordon”. But present Ukrainian leadership continues to push Ukraine in NATO arms. Why?
Simply our political and business elite sees into Ukraine’s joining NATO as their single guarantee for maintaining their economic positions and political influence. That is why during the Orange revolution our leaders did not advertise their plans of the fastest accession to the Alliance. They understood that they would never come to power under the banner of NATO joining here.
Recent parliamentary elections have again awakened Ukrainian society. Studies of public opinion have left no doubt that only 20% of our population supports the idea of NATO membership. Moreover, the number of opponents of NATO integration outnumbers supporters in all regions, including the western areas of Ukraine, and especially in almost all age groups. But the present power ignores people’s opinion, taking no count of remarks of even its Western colleagues. Even German Ambassador to Ukraine, Reinhardt Shepherds said that it would not be possible to speak of Ukraine’s membership in the alliance when the majority of the population is against the participation in this system of collective security.
So now our authorities had to develop mass propaganda of those so-called “advantages” that Ukraine would be given after joining the Alliance. And simultaneously the guarantor of our Constitution imposes numerous obstacles for realization of our people’s initiative to hold the country’s referendum on the question of practicability of Ukraine’s membership in NATO.
It indicates that Ukrainian people has no other way as to fight for legislating Ukraine’s non-allied status, which was solemnly proclaimed in the Declaration on State Sovereignty of Ukraine, on 16 July 1990, because under current circumstances only realization of the neutral status of Ukraine will be able to create prerequisites for making our state in Switzerland XXI Century.


I don't think ukraine is "independent", or "free" at the moment, not with Russia next door. Why is present Ukr. gov't pressing for NATO? Are you talking about Yuschenko or Yanukovich? Or both? Neither one has much credibility IMO. If US missiles happen to be deployed on Ukr. soil, it will demonstrate several things,
1) Yanukovich is as much a fraud as Yushenko is for allowing this. So much for being a staunch PRU member, or is that just "cosmetic"?
2) It shows Russia is weak and perhaps getting weaker for allowing such circumstances to develop. I think Putin's tough talk of never allowing this and moving their own missiles to "counter" all these moves by NATO, is nothing more than trying to make himself look "cool", and look what i'm gonna do.....
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Today Ukraine faces the dilemma: to be an independent and free state or join NATO and become a part of US “sanitary cordon”. But present Ukrainian leadership continues to push Ukraine in NATO arms. Why?
Simply our political and business elite sees into Ukraine’s joining NATO as their single guarantee for maintaining their economic positions and political influence. That is why during the Orange revolution our leaders did not advertise their plans of the fastest accession to the Alliance. They understood that they would never come to power under the banner of NATO joining here.
Recent parliamentary elections have again awakened Ukrainian society. Studies of public opinion have left no doubt that only 20% of our population supports the idea of NATO membership. Moreover, the number of opponents of NATO integration outnumbers supporters in all regions, including the western areas of Ukraine, and especially in almost all age groups. But the present power ignores people’s opinion, taking no count of remarks of even its Western colleagues. Even German Ambassador to Ukraine, Reinhardt Shepherds said that it would not be possible to speak of Ukraine’s membership in the alliance when the majority of the population is against the participation in this system of collective security.
So now our authorities had to develop mass propaganda of those so-called “advantages” that Ukraine would be given after joining the Alliance. And simultaneously the guarantor of our Constitution imposes numerous obstacles for realization of our people’s initiative to hold the country’s referendum on the question of practicability of Ukraine’s membership in NATO.
It indicates that Ukrainian people has no other way as to fight for legislating Ukraine’s non-allied status, which was solemnly proclaimed in the Declaration on State Sovereignty of Ukraine, on 16 July 1990, because under current circumstances only realization of the neutral status of Ukraine will be able to create prerequisites for making our state in Switzerland XXI Century.


I don't think ukraine is "independent", or "free" at the moment, not with Russia next door. Why is present Ukr. gov't pressing for NATO? Are you talking about Yuschenko or Yanukovich? Or both? Neither one has much credibility IMO. If US missiles happen to be deployed on Ukr. soil, it will demonstrate several things,
1) Yanukovich is as much a fraud as Yushenko is for allowing this. So much for being a staunch PRU member, or is that just "cosmetic"?
2) It shows Russia is weak and perhaps getting weaker for allowing such circumstances to develop. I think Putin's tough talk of never allowing this and moving their own missiles to "counter" all these moves by NATO, is nothing more than trying to make himself look "cool", and look what i'm gonna do.....
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:02 AM
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Default Ukraine and NATO.

Last time I wrote a lot about Ukraine officials’ wish to enter NATO. Look, from one side it’s very well but from another one there is no need to do it. I think that acceptance Ukraine into NATO is American idea merely. Americans want this entry in order to widen the boarders of alliance. And for this progress Washington weighs for NATO leaders! That’s why I don’t want to be the blind tool in wasshington’s hand to realize US plans!
Well, when we’ll embrace Ukraine into alliance we’ll get one more parasite unable to solve problems on its own. Well-known that Ukraine Army is using Soviet type weapons which fall short of NATO type. And we’ll have to provide for it substitution. We have to do it but not Americans! It’s clear that USA is unable to realize substation and preparing and equip Ukraine troops. I don’t want to turn France into US milking cow! In addition to it I’m in some doubts about ability of Ukraine troops to carry out NATO commitments if at all. It’ll be enough to remember about Ukraine peacekeepers work in Iraq: marauding, weapons trade, hard drinking and other. I think that Ukraine isn’t ready to entry into NATO!
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What ever Ukraine join NATO is in the midle of 2 major powers.RUSSIA and USA.To who to be a slave?
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