Thread: Serbs destroyed Yugoslavia - The Death of Yugoslavia

How Serbs incited wars in order to create ' Greater Serbia', a total epic fail which, unfortunately resulted with so many casualties !
Serbs started the war and are guilty for the bloodshed in ex- YU :

Pay attention to the first part "Enter of Nationalism" from sec 0:14.... Slobo's speech which marked public proclamation of a war against non-serbs !
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/death-of-yugoslavia/

Serbian forces have raped an estimated 20,000 to 50,000
Bosnian Muslim women during the armed conflict which has accompanied
the disintegration of the former Yugoslavia.s Many
of these women were repeatedly raped until they were impregnated
and then imprisoned until it was too late to have a safe...
Kohn: Women's Human Rights
http://digitalcommons.law.ggu.edu/cg...ontext=ggulrev

Originally Posted by Fini

Serbian forces have raped an estimated 20,000 to 50,000
Bosnian Muslim women during the armed conflict which has accompanied
the disintegration of the former Yugoslavia.s Many
of these women were repeatedly raped until they were impregnated
and then imprisoned until it was too late to have a safe...
Kohn: Women's Human Rights
http://digitalcommons.law.ggu.edu/cg...ontext=ggulrev

This story terrifies me ; a story of a 12 year old Bosniac girl - part of a systematically rape campaign conducted by serbs against Bosnia Muslims and Croats - who was murdered in the end ! Savages !

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW5n71rShw&feature=pl ayer_embedded"]YouTube - ‪The Story of Almira Bektovic - Bosnian Child of War Rape‬‏[/ame]

Originally Posted by Fini

Serbian forces have raped an estimated 20,000 to 50,000
Bosnian Muslim women during the armed conflict which has accompanied
the disintegration of the former Yugoslavia.s Many
of these women were repeatedly raped until they were impregnated
and then imprisoned until it was too late to have a safe...
Kohn: Women's Human Rights
http://digitalcommons.law.ggu.edu/cg...ontext=ggulrev

With all due respect to the victims I find this highly unlikely to happen in such a number 'cause it would mean 20,000-50,000 newborn babies over there. Number varies extremely and wonder who gave the estimate to it.

On a side note but again with a respect to the Serbian women and girls victims, Bosnian Muslims and Croat forces during time of war were using raping en masse too in their camps such as notorious Detelj.
http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/repyug2.htm

Regarding documentary and false and malicious claims that Serbs incited war in Ex YU in order to create a 'Greater Serbia', I must counter it with a claim that actually Albanians as foreign element in South Slavic union once known as Yugoslavia, are mainly responsible for a collapse of the same.
At the time the open conflict started, no ethnic Serb held a federal position to order any kind of military intervention!
Decades before collapse of the Yugoslavia Kosovo Albanians (many of them came as uncontrolled influx of the Albanian asylum seekers from the Albania proper) were oppressing Serbs in Kosovo and abusing Federal budget for help to undeveloped regions of the Ex YU. Action-reaction is a natural process... but people should know that Serbia was the last nail who held the coffin known as Yugoslavia.

Debate!

Serbs are experts in spreading fear and lie.

Your false interpratation, especially by trickery about Dretelj.
Dretelj was a Croatian camp for Bosnian Muslims - mainly.

http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php...tc/wctc04.incl
http://forum.slobodnavojvodina.org/v...1052&view=next


P.S. Bosnian Serb Milan Lukic burned Muslims alive in houses
Two Bosnian Serb cousins, Milan and Sredoje Lukic,
have been jailed for locking more than 100 Muslims
in two houses and burning them alive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wires/...ws_241286.html

Historic information regarding the conflicts in the Balkans and Yugoslavia



Adolf Hitler and the Colonial History of the Balkans

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2vZPj16FoY"]YouTube - ‪Adolf Hitler and the Colonial History of the Balkans‬‏[/ame]


The History of the Republic of Srpska

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_2vtw_lYk0"]YouTube - ‪The History of the Republic of Srpska‬‏[/ame]

Originally Posted by Fini

Serbs are experts in spreading fear and lie.

Your false interpratation, especially by trickery about Dretelj.
Dretelj was a Croatian camp for Bosnian Muslims - mainly.

Are you trying to accuse me of lying, Fini? We're forgetting 1992 and conveniently not paying attn to chronology, aren't we?

Ahmet Makitan Indicted for War Crimes

06 October 2010 The Swedish Prosecution has filed an indictment against Ahmet Makitan for crimes committed against Serb civilians in the Dretelj detention camp, near Capljina, during the war in Bosnia.
http://www.bim.ba/en/239/10/30813/

Or this camp maybe?

Three guilty in Bosnia trial
Two Bosnian Muslims and a Bosnian Croat have been found guilty of war crimes at a Yugoslav war tribunal in the Hague.
The presiding judge, Adolphus Karibi-Whyte, sentenced them to jail terms of between seven and 20 years for crimes and atrocities committed against Bosnian Serbs in Celibici prison camp.
Witnesses at the trial described how camp inmates were tortured, beaten to death by guards wielding baseball bats, set on fire, and raped.
Camp commander Zdravko Mucic, a Croat, his Muslim deputy Hazim Delic and guard Esad Landzo, also a Muslim, were found guilty.
Hazim Delic was found guilty of murder and rape and given the heaviest sentence - 20 years.
Judges said he had taken sadistic pleasure in causing pain and created a climate of terror and absolute fear around the camp.
...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/215265.stm

Combination of our links (yours and mine) proves that all sides practiced the cruelest methods of dealing with an enemy nation(s).

Originally Posted by Fini

P.S. Bosnian Serb Milan Lukic burned Muslims alive in houses
Two Bosnian Serb cousins, Milan and Sredoje Lukic,
have been jailed for locking more than 100 Muslims
in two houses and burning them alive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wires/...ws_241286.html

Besides sporadicly burning people alive, some Muslims in Bosnia enjoyed in a ritual beheading of the prisoners.

However, this two individuals you mentioned above, who committed such a crime against at the time enemy nation, are absolute disgrace to Serbian nation and deserve IMO life time prison. War criminals who are proven to be guilty in front of the court shouldn't be protected and they impose constant threat to society no matter where they reside.

Now, this all was off topic, but I consider that some things should be addressed no matter what.

Can we now all stay on topic 'cause it's super interesting subject we deal with. I'm here and ready to debate anyone who has a proof to initial claim.
Thank you

DISSECTION OF SERBIAN PROPAGANDA

Dobrica Cosic Former Serbian President “We lie to deceive ourselves, to console others; we lie for mercy, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our and somebody else’s misery. We lie for love and honesty. We lie because of freedom. Lying ie is the trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate smartness. We lie creatively, imaginatively, inventively.”

Saturday, March 15, 2008
UNDER THE HOLY LIME TREE:The Inculcation of Neurotic & Psychotic Syndromes as a Serbian Wartime Strategy
This article by Dr. Sabrina P. Ramet looks at some of the recurrent themes in Serbian propaganda 1986—95, examining their operation in inculcating collective neurotic and psychotic syndromes and noting the relevance of those syndromes for the war against Croatia and Bosnia, 1991—95. It also is relevant to Kosovo Issue. here are some of her points:
Six pivotal themes in Serbian propaganda are examined:

1. Victimization, in which Serbs were constructed as collective victims first of the NDH, then of Tito’s Yugoslavia, and more specifically of Croats, Albanians, Bosnians, and other non-Serbs.

2. Dehumanization of designated ‘others’, in which Croats were depicted as ‘genocidal’ and as ‘Ustaše’, Bosnians were portrayed as ‘fanatical fundamentalists’, and Albanians were represented as not fully human. These processes of dehumanization effectively removed these designated ‘others’ from the moral field, sanctifying their murder or expulsion.

3. Belittlement, in which Serbia’s enemies were represented as
beneath contempt.

4. Conspiracy, in which Croats, Slovenes, Albanians, the Vatican,
Germany, Austria, and sometimes also the Bosnians as well as the U.S. and other foreign states, were seen as united in a conspiracy to break up the SFRY and hurt Serbia. In this way, the Belgrade regime’s obstinate disregard for the fundamental standards of international law was dressed up as heroic defiance of an anti-Serb conspiracy.

5. Entitlement, in which the Serbs were constructed as ‘entitled’ to create a Greater
Serbian state to which parts of Croatia and Bosnia would be attached, under the motto,’ All Serbs should live in one state.’

6. Superhuman powers and divine sanction. The Serbs were told that they were, in some sense, “super”. They were the best fighters on the planet, they could stand up to the entire world, and they were sanctioned by God himself, because of Tsar Lazar and the fact that Lazar had chosen the heavenly kingdom. Moreover, since Lazar had chosen the heavenly kingdom, the Serbs, encouraged to view themselves as Lazar’s heirs, were entitled to the earthly kingdom which Lazar had repudiated, as their patrimony.