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More than 300 people were detained and at least 10 hurt after a second night of riots in Estonia's capital Tallinn.
Police fired tear gas and rubber bullets after new clashes erupted over the removal of a Soviet war memorial.

Police were confronted by mainly ethnic Russian demonstrators, some of whom threw petrol bombs and were involved in looting.

Estonia says the memorial symbolised Soviet occupation. Supporters say it celebrated heroes who fought the Nazi


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More than 300 people were detained and at least 10 hurt after a second night of riots in Estonia's capital Tallinn.
Police fired tear gas and rubber bullets after new clashes erupted over the removal of a Soviet war memorial.

Police were confronted by mainly ethnic Russian demonstrators, some of whom threw petrol bombs and were involved in looting.

Estonia says the memorial symbolised Soviet occupation. Supporters say it celebrated heroes who fought the Nazi


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Pity for current eSStonian authorities....best all-time cure for baltic neo-nazis is a bullet.
If the ethnic Russians wants any crediility why are they throwing bombs and looting? Those are activities of hooligans and criminals.

Estonia says the memorial symbolised Soviet occupation and Estinia is correct all vestages of Soviet/Russian occupation should be removed and/or destroyed. Why should the good people of Estonia be insulted with symbols of Soviet/Russian occupation.
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Nobody wants the monuments of the USSR's subjugation of their people.

The Nazis where liberators to the Estonians..The Soviets where invaders and occupiers.
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If the ethnic Russians wants any crediility why are they throwing bombs and looting? Those are activities of hooligans and criminals.
No, bud. For instance, activists of so-called "orange revolution" also accomplished looting and throwing bombs into police squads in Bishkek. Western media depicted them as "freedom fighters". So, those young Russians who fought police in Tallin and other towns are freedom fighters too. By definition.

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Good people in this country were insulted by excavation of graves of Soviet soldiers. They shown their protest against actions of neo-nazis.
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Nobody wants the monuments of the USSR's subjugation of their people.
Nobody of neo-nazis,huh? I am glad that my young slavic brothers also destroyed monuments of eSStonian SS troopers in various towns and villages of this (*)(*)(*)(*)ed country.

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The Nazis where liberators to the Estonians..The Soviets where invaders and occupiers.
You speak like a true Nazi supporter. By you logic, Nazis were liberators of jewish people too. Burning their bodies in crematoria of death camps.
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Nobody wants the monuments of the USSR's subjugation of their people.

The Nazis where liberators to the Estonians..The Soviets where invaders and occupiers.
Partially correct Mr. Duh. The German "acted as a 'liberator' in Estonia as he did in Ukraine but did soon turn into an oocupier, oppressor and muderer. The difference is that the German was brutally honest about 'his' brutality. Since the German thought that he was "the master race" he had no regard for the Slavic race therefore the German was more brutal towards the Ukrainians, Belorusses, and the Moskails ( Russians) than he was to the Estonians who are not slavic. The Ivainka ( Soviet/Russian ) was an occupier, oppressor and muderer also but then put up "memorials" to himself because in the mind of Moskail it was important to make things appear 'proper'.
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If the ethnic Russians wants any crediility why are they throwing bombs and looting? Those are activities of hooligans and criminals.
No, bud. For instance, activists of so-called "orange revolution" also accomplished looting and throwing bombs into police squads in Bishkek. Western media depicted them as "freedom fighters". So, those young Russians who fought police in Tallin and other towns are freedom fighters too. By definition.

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Why should the good people of Estonia be insulted with symbols of Soviet/Russian occupation.
Good people in this country were insulted by excavation of graves of Soviet soldiers. They shown their protest against actions of neo-nazis.
You are wronger than wrong. The Ukrainian Orange revolution kept strict control and there was no crimes committed by the Orange. There was some criminal activity commtted by infiltrating Russians and pro Russian Ukrainian traitors who were not Orange but were with Yanukovich.

You are also wrong here since the only people who were "insulted by excavation of graves of Soviet soldiers " were Russians and/or Communists and not good Estonians.
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You are wronger than wrong.
Oh, yes. A discussion between two nationalists : Ukranian and Russian. Who is wrong and who is right.

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There was some criminal activity commtted by infiltrating Russians and pro Russian Ukrainian traitors who were not Orange but were with Yanukovich.
I thought Yanukovich is a leader of Eastern Ukrainians, not Russians...
In any case, their activity is a child's play in comparison to recent Yuschenko's performance.

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You are also wrong here since the only people who were "insulted by excavation of graves of Soviet soldiers " were Russians and/or Communists and not good Estonians.
I am right. You see, almost all good estonians consider themselves neo-nazis. And good Nazi is Dead Nazi. Plain and simple.
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You speak like a true Nazi supporter. By you logic, Nazis were liberators of jewish people too. Burning their bodies in crematoria of death camps.
You speak like someone who doesn't have a (*)(*)(*)(*) clue what role the Baltic peoples played in WWII...or why.




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Partially correct Mr. Duh. The German "acted as a 'liberator' in Estonia as he did in Ukraine but did soon turn into an oocupier, oppressor and muderer. The difference is that the German was brutally honest about 'his' brutality. Since the German thought that he was "the master race" he had no regard for the Slavic race therefore the German was more brutal towards the Ukrainians, Belorusses, and the Moskails ( Russians) than he was to the Estonians who are not slavic. The Ivainka ( Soviet/Russian ) was an occupier, oppressor and muderer also but then put up "memorials" to himself because in the mind of Moskail it was important to make things appear 'proper'.
No the treatment of the Baltic Peoples in General was not comparable to most of the rest of the East during the German phase. For the most part they where viewed by ideology and fact as Germans...Jews/slavs/such other undesirables where of course removed as they where everywhere..



Latvia/Estonia/Lithuanian all fielded SS units..they all had large volunteer pools to the German war effort be that regular army to luftwaffe. Latvia had roughly 150,000 SS volunteers alone.


6-7 years or so a memorial to those who served in what the Latvians refer to as the Legion. (IOW Latvians who served in the Waffen-SS) was put up in Latvia.
Its a pretty common trend across the Baltic States to memorialize those who fought against the USSR while they remove eveyrthing they can in relation to the USSR.
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Default Nazi "liberators"...right.

It is noteworthy how often those who claim to be "nationalists" so often turn out to be fascists.
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