Are you suggesting we go back to our old talking points and ideals that we strove for? Well, that was all before Corporate American took over and sold us down the drain. I don't think there is anyway we can return to America the Beautiful. In fighting the 'War on Terror' we have turned our backs on everything that is holy. I think I hear Taps playing. And what a sad and lonely funeral dirge it is.

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USA TRADE WITH OLD TECHNOLOGES!!!!!......RUSSIA TRADE WITH TECHNOLOGES WHICH ARE JUST IN PAPPERS..HOT PEPPERS!!!!.....RUSSIA PRODUCE NEW WEAPONS AND SELL IT TO CHINA,INDIA AND ARABIAN WORLD.....SO WHY THEY DONT BUY NEW AMERICAN SUPER PUPER WEAPON???!!!!...IF RUSSIAN IS 60-th years old things....!!!!.......its funy to see your comments.... ......Are you corrispondent of FOX news?....so half of russian weapon is modern for twice then american....and USA will get same technologes or use only after 10-20 years in future......so 70% of american technologes making by russians,jews(too from USSR) and chinesses.....so they can sell it or give to KGB agents like MrPutin........dont believe in it,that Russia have weapon of 1970-th....If you dont know..WHY YOU NOTED IT HERE?

It is really difficult to decipher your English. But I will try, because I am such a nice guy.

Like what? Can you link to some examples?

Because we dont sell our best technology.

That being said, we are selling Joint Strike Fighters to several US allies. But we dont whore out our best stuff to just anyone like that ѕlut Russia does.

Please link to an example of Russian technology that is superior to US technology. I cant think of anything myself.

Not saying that Russian technology sucks (it doesnt) but there is nothing they are producing right now that we cannot also produce as well or better. This isnt the 80s.

Maybe. The Chinese reverse engineer whatever they can get too. But Russia will never surpass us merely by copying our old technology. And they dont have working samples of our best stuff.

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No. Simply because nobody wants to buy crappy US technology

You have not any "best stuff" to offer the World. Maybe, only your political whores (from Washington, DC) are really superior to our own...


Soyuz Spaceship. For instance, her Crew Compartment always descends in one piece during re-entry (unlike Space Shuttle crew cabin).

Feel free to post evidences that, say, Sputnik 1 was a working sample of an "American best stuff" or "copy of your old technology". Again : read some history books before posting here You know, the US Patriotism backed by historical background looks way better

Other nations buy our technology all the time, just not our best technology. Pakistan and Iran both use US fighters. Most European nations probably have them too. South Korea has some. Taiwan's entire military is based on US technology.

Both are correct. We dont offer our best stuff to the world (which I thought I already said), and our political whores are better than your's. I agree.

That is hardly new technology...and we had that long ago. Even before the Shuttle. Do you have any examples newer than 1966? heh heh

I have not seen any indication that they have working samples of our best technology. Are you saying they DO have samples of our best stuff? If so, please post your evidence.

Already did that. Thats how I know you're wrong.

So far you have failed to post evidence supporting any of your claims.

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You think,that you will find secret documents of modern weapon?....just look for Mig fighter which now in Leburje flight show......now this MIG show new air turbins which can control from cabin...one turbina can look in one side other turbin to oanother side.....and very super powerfull.......USA have no such things...or we dont know,because secret things is secret..... http://article.wn.com/view/2007/05/3...layarticle.txt last modern thing.... HOT!!! ...Just this Year product...next year would be more modern......So Hugo Chavez go to Russia...and will buy new helicopters to army....this helicopters are like americans apachy,but in some way russian better in some american,but for Venisuala russian better...you know why?..so Russia help with navi in days when Venisuala was getting independence.....

No Putin tested ICBMs that can get past any of the defenses. Besides the implementation of any program will simply creat an arms race and a relationship thaw with Russia. Putin already suggested not going back into a Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe

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We dont need to. Our weapons are already better.

The SU-30 would probably outperform the F-22 in a dogfight. It is too bad for Russian designers that dogfights are obsolete. Modern combat is all BVR (Beyond Visual Range) now. And both the F-22 and the F-35 (JSF) are superior to anything the Russians can build right now when it comes to BVR combat.

You are talking about Thrust vectoring.

This is not new (although the Soviets did have it first on true fighters...I dont count the Harrier, because it's thrust vectoring was only really useful for VTOL). Both the F-22 and the F-35 have thrust vectoring engines.

Compared to pretty much everyone else, yeah. But not compared to us.

Wikipedia has a comparison table of estimates as to what the kill ratios would be if various fighters fought an SU-35. This was originally put together by Britain’s Defence Evaluation and Research Agency. Here's what they have to say:

As you can see, the SU-35 spanks our older fighters. Our newer fighters? Not so much. This chart shows a 10 to 1 kill ratio against the SU-35 in the F-22's favor. Thrust vectoring does not appear to help them in BVR combat.

That goes both ways.

But the public information shows that US technology is superior. I am not going to assume that this is not true merely on your opinion.

Why is it hot? What does it change?

The best Russia can still hope for is mutual destruction. Thats as good as it gets for them. So how does that missile change anything?

You have no way of knowing that. It is an assumption you are making based on nothing.

They might as well be made of paper for all the threat they pose to us.

How do you know that? What are you basing that claim on?

How do you know that? Even assuming he did, how do you know that the tests were really analogous to our own systems if that data was not made public? What are you basing your claim on?

I am ok with that, since I do not view Russia as a threat to us. I wouldnt care if Canada or Japan could defeat our missile defenses either.

Such a treaty is pointless now. We already won. Russia is a democracy. The threat of attack or invasion is now zero.

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I did find an article on Russia's TRUE next generation fighter however - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA - and it aint the SU-37.

I didnt know about it until now, and it does look pretty cool. They are claiming it will have true stealth capabilities (and will be the first non-US fighter to have true stealth), though it will probably be analogous to 1st generation attempts from the US (like the F-117). It is unclear how stealthy it will be since stealth is expensive; the stealthier it is, the more expensive it will be to produce.

They are also claiming it will be capable of supercruise, like the F-22 and the JSF.

From the images shown, it appears to have internal weapon bays. These are all artists renderings though, since no one has actually seen a prototype. The Russian government is claiming that the first flight will be at the end of 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA


Russia does also have the option of using Plasma Stealth. This is an active system, as opposed to the passive system the US uses.

While the concept is very cool (this is one of the few things the Soviets developed that I am envious of), it does have a lot of problems. While it makes the craft invisible to radar, it also emmits a lot of light and heat, making it far more vulnerable to weapons that lock thermally. It takes a lot of power (so it cant be used all the time, like passive stealth can), and I assume it blinds the sensors of the pilot while it is on.

It is also only effective against certain spectrums at any given time. It is like a radio dial...you can protect against any spectrum you want, but not all of them at once.

Still, the idea of an EM Cloaking Device is really cool, and it would be neat to see what it looks like.

For the purposes of this thread though, it's all moot. Even assuming that this fighter goes into production, there is no way in hell the Russians are going to sell them to anyone else for a long time.

The plane does look cool...they seem to have abandoned that spindly anemic design that the SU series had, and the gaping-vаgina look that the Mig series had. This jet's design looks very American.

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Oh, really? Are you an expert of warplanes?

We wanna spit upon your "BVR combat crap" and other verbal rubbish. You are talking about pure theoretical combat. Nothing more. I can not recall any modern US-built plane that could repeat aerobatics performed by SU or MIG warplanes at various world airshows.
Because all products of the US design are pieces of flying crap. Plain and simple.