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Old 06-04-2007, 04:18 PM
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Russians really really don't like Americans. Its emotional reasoning, not logical.
Speak for yourself ONLY, please! I am Russian and I have many friends on American soil. In case if you don't know, American people and the US administration are two different things.

If some American member of forum considers Putin as bloody maniac it does not matter that he also dislikes ALL Russians.
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My and expecially my father's expeirence is Russians being very anti-American. Though I think its a Soviet thing. The younger they are, the less they dislike Americans.
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Putin is an extremely nationalistic, paranoid, and insecure president who is looking for every avenue through which to secure Russia's strategic interests
Yep.


I wouldn't call him insecure.
..and parnoia is not necessarly a bad in all cases.

Keep in mind Muscovy basically lost all its exterior European possessions barring some chunks with a wimper. Lost the "breadbasket".
Putin or not.. I doubt that will last.
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Old 06-04-2007, 06:31 PM
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[...Putin is an extremely nationalistic, paranoid, and insecure president who is looking for every avenue through which to secure Russia's strategic interests...
Little wonder then that when President Bush "looked into his soul," he found a kindred spirit.
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Old 06-04-2007, 08:17 PM
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My and expecially my father's expeirence is Russians being very anti-American. Though I think its a Soviet thing. The younger they are, the less they dislike Americans.
My grandfather always called Americans as "allies", even during darkest times of Cold War. Perhaps, just because he took part in WWII and perfectly knew a price of combat friendship...
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They view the defense shield as further Western intrusion into Russia
How can it be an intrusion if it doesnt work?

Actually it is a provocation. Please remember we had an anti-missile treaty with the Soviet Union and Bush unilaterally broke it. What a creep. Anyway, it just gives Putin an excuse to target US interests with his nukes. Which by the way, the US and I believe it was still the Soviet Union agreed not to target each other. Thanks Georgie for making the world a more dangerous place.
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In case if you don't know, American people and the US administration are two different things.
Heh heh, it is always funny to see foreigners delude themselves like this.

How do you think our politicians get into power? They dont elect themselves.

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Me: How can it be an intrusion if it doesnt work?

Actually it is a provocation.
How can it be a provocation if it doesnt work? If we built paper missiles and put them on the border, would they see that as a provocation too?

Their actions indicate that THEY view the Missile Defense system as a threat. Which means they must believe that it works to some degree.

Not only are they throwing a political hissy fit over it, they are spending money to adapt their missiles to evade this supposedly "useless" technology.

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Please remember we had an anti-missile treaty with the Soviet Union and Bush unilaterally broke it.
This is a common myth. First of all, it did not ban all ABM systems completely:

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Under the ABM treaty and a 1974 revision, each country was allowed to deploy a single ABM system with only 100 interceptors to protect a single target.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ba...Treaty_of_1972
The truth is that the treaty included an escape clause; we withdrew from the treaty, and the Soviets/Russians could have done the same at any time.

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On June 13, 2002, the United States withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty and subsequently recommenced developing missile defense systems that would have formerly been prohibited by the bilateral treaty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ba...Treaty_of_1972
The treaty was never broken. The text of the treaty allowed for withdraw with notice to the other party:

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US President George W. Bush said he had given Moscow the required six months notice to withdraw from the 1972 treaty, the cornerstone of Cold War arms control efforts, to allow the United States to build a missile shield.

http://www.cdi.org/russia/184-1.cfm
We legally (per the terms of the treaty) withdrew. While I personally would not have had a problem "breaking" such a treaty, that isnt what we did.

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What a creep.
A creep elected to two terms. Apparently withdrawing from the anti-missile treaty didnt (*)(*)(*)(*) off that many people.

Oh, and uh, btw...

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Although Congress cannot affect Bush's decision, it does hold the purse strings for any future missile defense development.

http://www.cdi.org/russia/184-1.cfm
...your precious Democrat Congress is complicit as well. THEY have the power to stop NMD in it's tracks. Why dont they do so?

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Anyway, it just gives Putin an excuse to target US interests with his nukes.
Which is all he'll do...target. He'll never use them unless we attack Russia, which is never going to happen. We have zero incentive to attack Russia. So it's an empty threat.

So let him point all he wants to. His pouting is an acceptable exchange for a defense against missile attack.

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Which by the way, the US and I believe it was still the Soviet Union agreed not to target each other.
Russia is not the Soviet Union. You do know that, right?

And we arent the ones targeting him.
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Old 06-05-2007, 05:27 AM
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Heh heh, it is always funny to see foreigners delude themselves like this.

How do you think our politicians get into power? They dont elect themselves.
Indeed. Many deluded foreigners still wonder how a bunch of SMART Americans could elect such a total IDIOT like GWB???
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Indeed. Many deluded foreigners still wonder how a bunch of SMART Americans could elect such a total IDIOT like GWB???
Have you considered the possibility that he actually has more popular support than you believe he does?

This isnt Russia...we are not restricted in who we can vote for. We can literally vote for anyone we want....Even people not on the ballot. Even ourselves. No one forced us to re-elect George Bush to a second term.

More than that, we also elect Congresss....which actually has more power than the president under our system of government (Congress can override the President...the reverse is not true). Yet they have refused to oppose his actions. Yet I dont see you criticizing them. Why?
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Many Americans wonder the same thing.
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