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Old 06-10-2004, 01:19 PM
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Hey if Russia wants to start a war with wherever or whatever its fine by me (especially if they go for the french that would do us a favor)As long as its not us (the US) or canada or mexico im good well japan would do good to stay out of Russia's way anyway i mean come on the russians have nukes and nowadays that gets yah places (especially in the U.N.)
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Old 06-15-2004, 05:45 AM
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I'm guessing beforehand Putin will win with some 70-85% of the vote, just to make it seem democratic.

But to the point, Russia seems to be slipping back into an authoritarian government, or are they? Discuss!


Bush - had 47,88%, Gore - 48,39%. Bush - president. This is democracy!
Putin - had 72% - this is authoritaritarism!
Saacashwily (Georgia) - had more then 90%. This is democracy!

That's correct?
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Bush - had 47,88%, Gore - 48,39%. Bush - president. This is democracy!
Putin - had 72% - this is authoritaritarism!
Saacashwily (Georgia) - had more then 90%. This is democracy!

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Where did I say that? In most democracies the votes fall around 40-60%, anything above that is very questionable. Rarely people support a leader that much, i.e. Turkmenbashi level.
I asked whether Russia was slipping into Authoritarianism, not that it is one. Even though I think there are some alarming signals of it. This question will be answered for sure in 2008, after the elections then.
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Hey if Russia wants to start a war with wherever or whatever its fine by me (especially if they go for the french that would do us a favor)As long as its not us (the US) or canada or mexico im good well japan would do good to stay out of Russia's way anyway i mean come on the russians have nukes and nowadays that gets yah places (especially in the U.N.)
But the Greatest Fault in the History is attack Russia...
Have you questions?
To ask Gitler, Napoleon, Charles XII (Swedish)...

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Where did I say that? In most democracies the votes fall around 40-60%, anything above that is very questionable. Rarely people support a leader that much, i.e. Turkmenbashi level.
72% this is not Turkmenbashi level. Now in Russia Putin is compromise variant for Russian people. What's wrong? Why democracy is 50-60%?
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I asked whether Russia was slipping into Authoritarianism, not that it is one. Even though I think there are some alarming signals of it. This question will be answered for sure in 2008, after the elections then.
IMHO Russia don't slipping into Authoritarianism. This is normal change. Idealist Elcin was changed to pragmatic Putin. I voted for Putin.
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Is Russia against Bush and Blair's "War of Terrorism?"
I'm sorry, but Bush and Blair's war ISN'T against terrorism, this is war FOR terrorism... ((
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Whatever happened to the commis. Personally Russia is just putting on this democratic election to hide there true meaning of what is happening in Russia...COMMUNISM
When we (Russian) struggled with COMMUNISM at ourselves in Russia you (West) gave credits of the KPSS and USSR that has prolonged an agony COMMUNISM of years on 10...
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Chechnya is a long bloody mess for the Russians. The government lets very little media in, and consequently reliable information on Chechnya is hard to obtain. Russia bitterly opposes any countries interference with "it's" conflict. Did I say conflict? There is no conflict, only minor "disputes".
It is not less, than we in Russia receive information on war of the USA in Afghanistan... Chechnya is Russian teritory...

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As for foreign ventures, the Russian economy is seriously damaged, and unless provided with major financial support, I doubt Russian troops will be deployed far from friendly nations. Exactly, why should they?
The Russian economy feels to itself much better, than it seems to much...

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The more I think of Russia, the more it reminds me of the USSR. *shivers*
Ok! IMHO most of all the USSR remind the USA. My friend visited USA, Qwince, Illinois at 1995 said what "USA like as Brezhnev USSR".
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72% this is not Turkmenbashi level. Now in Russia Putin is compromise variant for Russian people. What's wrong? Why democracy is 50-60%?
Turkenmenbashi level is 100%, I just used it as an extreme of what "democracies" can in theory have. (Though that is no democracy, he got 99% if I remember correctly) Russia is a democracy, but opposition is weak and state-owned media makes it harder for it to function.

In general most leaders in democracies are elected within the 50-60% area, within several different countries all acknowledged to have free elections. Variations can exist, but in general...

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IMHO Russia don't slipping into Authoritarianism. This is normal change. Idealist Elcin was changed to pragmatic Putin. I voted for Putin.
That is your opinion, and I will respect it. I will reserve the right to disagree however.

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It is not less, than we in Russia receive information on war of the USA in Afghanistan... Chechnya is Russian teritory...
And there is little information coming from Afghanistan aswell, mostly coalition propaganda. Russia considers Chechnya theirs, some (not sure on the percentage) Chechnyans disagree.


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Ok! IMHO most of all the USSR remind the USA. My friend visited USA, Qwince, Illinois at 1995 said what "USA like as Brezhnev USSR".
Haven't been to the USSR, (though I did visit the DDR) and I still have to visit Russia. But if your friend thinks the US is like Brezhnev's USSR, then I cannot understand how communism collapsed. Maybe Qwince, Illinois just happens to resemble the USSR...

Off topic, where in Russia are you from?
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Turkenmenbashi level is 100%, I just used it as an extreme of what "democracies" can in theory have. (Though that is no democracy, he got 99% if I remember correctly)
BUT: Victory pro-American Giorgia presidents with more 90% is declared as a victory of democracy...
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Russia is a democracy, but opposition is weak and state-owned media makes it harder for it to function.
BUT: Russian opposition has more wide political spectr As against the American opposition. State-owened only two TV-chanel from 10-16 radio TV-channel or 20-40 cable TV-channel. "The Commersant" - most popular newspaper belongs to the enemy of the Kremlin Beresovsky...

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In general most leaders in democracies are elected within the 50-60% area, within several different countries all acknowledged to have free elections. Variations can exist, but in general...
Bush has typed less, than 50 % and are less than Gore, that on mine not correspond to principles of democracy...

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IMHO Russia don't slipping into Authoritarianism. This is normal change. Idealist Elcin was changed to pragmatic Putin. I voted for Putin.
That is your opinion, and I will respect it. I will reserve the right to disagree however.
Ok! But Americans know about Russia very little, and your newspapers are similar to the newspaper "PRAVDA" from UUSR, than ours much more...

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It is not less, than we in Russia receive information on war of the USA in Afghanistan... Chechnya is Russian teritory...
And there is little information coming from Afghanistan aswell, mostly coalition propaganda. Russia considers Chechnya theirs, some (not sure on the percentage) Chechnyans disagree.
Overwhelming majority (70-80%) of Chechens (as on interrogations independent of the Kremlin, so by results of a referendum) for a presence in structure of Russia

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Ok! IMHO most of all the USSR remind the USA. My friend visited USA, Qwince, Illinois at 1995 said what "USA like as Brezhnev USSR".
But if your friend thinks the US is like Brezhnev's USSR, then I cannot understand how communism collapsed.
1. In your opinion in the USA there are no problems?
2. The USSR has collapsed because of economic mistakes admitted at the end of 70

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Maybe Qwince, Illinois just happens to resemble the USSR...
I was not in the USA, but it is a lot of that I read I create sensation USSR.

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Off topic, where in Russia are you from?
I'm from St-Retersburg
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