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    Post The head of the Russian Orthodox Church says the Kremlin should adjust its policies

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    In a televised message on Orthodox Christmas Day, Patriarch Kirill said it would be a "very bad sign" if the authorities ignored the protesters.
    looks like Putin is in a big trouble
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    That has surprised me .
    Given the historical closeness of the Russian Church to the FSB I am extremely gobsmacked to hear Krill almost criticise the Government .
    I suppose that if you are as cynical about Putin as it is possible to be , this could be a brilliant tactical move inspired by their new face in power Surkov .

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymondo View Post
    That has surprised me .
    Given the historical closeness of the Russian Church to the FSB I am extremely gobsmacked to hear Krill almost criticise the Government .
    I suppose that if you are as cynical about Putin as it is possible to be , this could be a brilliant tactical move inspired by their new face in power Surkov .
    not really , looks like the Russians got enough . Putin is a short macho form perestroika epoch, his political style is totally uncool today
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    Philip II was a last one, who tried to stop Tsar ....

    Saint Philip II of Moscow (11 February 1507 – 12 December 1569) was a Russian Orthodox monk, who became Metropolitan of Moscow during the reign of Ivan the Terrible. He was one of a few Metropolitans who dared openly to contradict royal authority, and it is widely believed that the Tsar had him murdered on that account. He is venerated as a saint and martyr in the Eastern Orthodox Church.
    After only two years, however, Ivan the Terrible persisted with committing murders under the aegis of Oprichnina. During Great Lent, on the Sunday of the Veneration of the Cross, March 2, 1568, when the Tsar came to the cathedral for Divine Liturgy, Philip refused to bless him and publicly rebuked him for the ongoing massacre. The Massacre of Novgorod ensued, and Philip's condemnation followed.

    Ivan eventually deposed Philip from office by raising incredible charges of sorcery and dissolute living. Philip was arrested during Liturgy at the Cathedral of Dormition and imprisoned in a dingy cell of the Theophany (Bogoiavlenskii) Monastery, fettered with chains, with a heavy collar around his neck, and was deprived of food for a few days in succession. Then he was transferred and immured at the Monastery of the Fathers (Otroch Monastery) at Tver. In November 1568, the tsar summoned the Holy Synod, which had Philip deposed. A year later, on December 23, 1569, he was strangled by the Tsar's minion, Malyuta Skuratov at Otroch, two days before Christmas. As if aware of his approaching death, Philip had asked to receive Holy Communion three days earlier
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    Quote Originally Posted by litwin View Post
    not really , looks like the Russians got enough . Putin is a short macho form perestroika epoch, his political style is totally uncool today
    It may be totally uncool , as you put it , but a Messiah who is a an all powerful Dictator , only knows one way to behave .
    My guess is that he will allow the play acting to continue until mid night on March 4th .
    Then he will remind you all exactly what Vertical Power means .
    Enjoy the holiday . The purge will be painful .

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymondo View Post
    It may be totally uncool , as you put it , but a Messiah who is a an all powerful Dictator , only knows one way to behave .
    My guess is that he will allow the play acting to continue until mid night on March 4th .
    Then he will remind you all exactly what Vertical Power means .
    Enjoy the holiday . The purge will be painful .
    in 2012? impossible ... he will a weak dictator
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    Quote Originally Posted by litwin View Post
    in 2012? impossible ... he will a weak dictator
    A good point to , Wait and See .
    Don't forget I am a profiler with a back history of psychology and a disposition towards analysing psychotics through to psychopaths .
    I suspect Putin is what we call a sociopath , but because he had to deny his true parents , he is cut off from "normal feelings" and a complete loner .
    He is very predictable .

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    Quote Originally Posted by litwin View Post
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16454200 looks like Putin is in a big trouble
    Hypothetical Putin will gotta go, but it would be changed nothing because almost everything in Russia is either destroyed or stolen or damaged. A huge country like Russia can not survive without industry and though economy, but after Putin's "reforms" the country looks like a Siberian Nigeria with gaz and pipelines.Unfortunately Russia has wasted all its opportunities to survive in the 21st century, no one can save it in the modern global economy. The biggest dumb decisions of Russia was joining the WTO, not later as in two years cheep Chinese commodities will destroy the paralytic remain of Russian "industry". Where will 130 millions of Russians make money if all manufacturing shops will be closed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ostap Bender View Post
    Hypothetical Putin will gotta go, but it would be changed nothing because almost everything in Russia is either destroyed or stolen or damaged. A huge country like Russia can not survive without industry and though economy, but after Putin's "reforms" the country looks like a Siberian Nigeria with gaz and pipelines.Unfortunately Russia has wasted all its opportunities to survive in the 21st century, no one can save it in the modern global economy. The biggest dumb decisions of Russia was joining the WTO, not later as in two years cheep Chinese commodities will destroy the paralytic remain of Russian "industry". Where will 130 millions of Russians make money if all manufacturing shops will be closed?
    agree with your main point, Putin's "new"economy is very primitive and Russia s future(with Putin's 8 more years) does not look well .
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    Quote Originally Posted by litwin View Post
    agree with your main point, Putin's "new"economy is very primitive and Russia s future(with Putin's 8 more years) does not look well .
    If Russia want to became strong again it needs new President and new economical policy. Putin has transformed rich Russia to a poor colony without industry and mafia in all parliaments.
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