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Old 12-29-2007, 02:40 AM
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We should support them in their desire to become Independent and ignore Serbian and Russian threats.
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Yes Russia does have a history of trying to impose its will against the majority population.
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Yes Russia does have a history of trying to impose its will against the majority population.
Russians understand strength. It makes sense to them. They've been invaded many times from the west, and they're "wary" of what those crazy Europeans will do, and I mean, they've succeeded in repelling the invaders pretty much "every time", right? So, strength "makes sense" to them.

The Russian PEOPLE though, are great - they're actually quite warm, "inside". You know, they have an "operational" side, and an "emotional" side, just like everyone else.
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By the way Kosovo is like washington to USA,before middle part of the 20-th century it was just serbian ethnic orthodox christian land by ages from 13-th age,then muslims started migration,because Albania is small and poor to them,then NATO started bombing of Yugoslavis as scenary of Russian next collapse by Chechnya way(which got millions from USA and UK sponcers),then Yugoslavia die and USA strarts erection of biggest european base of USA milletery forces in Kosovo,in this days thouthands of serbs die by genocide of alba-s on serbs,.....now muslims and drug trade corridor on Europe want freedom,is it right/..its more bad then Columbia for drug reputation.Any way USA support one muslims and kill other,build bases everywhere and its Kind Country,but those who stand up from (*)(*)(*)(*) already calls Evil Empire,not good...right?....any way 35% of Europe already muslims,Europe have a christian sun set at this days...so sorrow...
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By the way Kosovo is like washington to USA,before middle part of the 20-th century it was just serbian ethnic orthodox christian land by ages from 13-th age,then muslims started migration,because Albania is small and poor to them,then NATO started bombing of Yugoslavis as scenary of Russian next collapse by Chechnya way(which got millions from USA and UK sponcers),then Yugoslavia die and USA strarts erection of biggest european base of USA milletery forces in Kosovo,in this days thouthands of serbs die by genocide of alba-s on serbs,.....now muslims and drug trade corridor on Europe want freedom,is it right/..its more bad then Columbia for drug reputation.Any way USA support one muslims and kill other,build bases everywhere and its Kind Country,but those who stand up from (*)(*)(*)(*) already calls Evil Empire,not good...right?....any way 35% of Europe already muslims,Europe have a christian sun set at this days...so sorrow...
35%?

That sounds like a "sizable minority". Hmm.......




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Here is a list of European Countries with a total population greater than 10million and the percentage of Muslims within that population :

Germany 82.5million 3.6%
France 62.3million 8-9.6% <<- typical France can't even be sure about their own stats!!!
UK 58.8million 2.7%
Italy 58.4million 1.4%
spain 43.1million 2.3%
holland 16.3million 5.8%
Belgium 10.3million 4.0%

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So 35% is way way way off the mark - maybe he meant 3.5% of the population as that is a better average!
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Yes,Kosovo was by ethnic and culture serbian by few thouthands years,its like Rome to Italy...to lose your soul,you lose everything,so anyway with declore of independence they will get economy blockade,with out electrocity,water and goods they will just die,thats why its stupid to getting independence,just radical muslim drug traders want it,because Kosovo is like Albania Drug Gates into Europe...I watched your "statistic" but i think its from 1990-th,because i watched Euronews about 5 monthes ago and it was said that in Europe 35% are muslims...

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It doesn't take much reading up on Kosovo's history to realise that it has never naturally been part of any one Country - Serbia are mearly the most recent occupiers - The current population is ethnic muslim/Albanian and should be free to declare Independence if they wish - they were treated like dirt by the Serbians and until NATO prevented it there was genocide been carryied out by the Serbs against the majority population if they caused any "trouble".

We should support them in their desire to become Independent and ignore Serbian and Russian threats.

And you are being plane daft if you draw a parallel between Kosovo declaring Independence and Caliornia splitting from the US!
As a matter of fact, Kosovo has throughout history been part of either Serbia or Ottoman Empire while they ruled the area. It is traditionally Serbian land and the heart of Serbian state.

However it was reasonably late liberated from the Turks (late 19th century). Even then it was majority Serbian, but since the end of WW2 Albanians became a majority.
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Kosovo Albanian pleads guilty in Jihad terror plot against Fort Dix

November 1 2007

Editorial Comment from the American Council for Kosovo:
Nothing better illustrates the extent to which U.S. policy regarding the Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija is damaging the American national interest than the guilty plea this week of Kosovo Albanian Agron Abdullahu in connection with the jihad terror plot against Ft. Dix, New Jersey.

John Bolton: I Hope that the U.S. Wont Recognize a Unilateral Declaration of Kosovo Independence;
American policy on Kosovo continues collision course with reality.

Abdullahu, who was admitted to the U.S. as a refugee under the Clinton Administration, can be considered an exemplar of supposedly pro-American Albanian Muslims grateful for U.S. sponsorship of their quest for an independent state carved out of Serbia. (Three of Abdullahus co-defendants in the plot to massacre American service personnel at Ft. Dix also were Albanian Muslims from just south of Kosovo, along with a Jordanian and Turk.) It should be noted that the U.S. Department of Justice successfully opposed Abdullahus motion for pretrial release, based in part on a depiction he scratched in his cell of a machine gun shooting at the FBI and graffiti glorifying the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), a terrorist organization. The fact that Abdullahu and his comrades were even in a position to plot the attack is due to the fact that the U.S. government notably the Department of State (which does not share the common sense of the Justice Department and the FBI) supports the KLA and its cause. We have now reached the point that our skewed policy in Kosovo trumps even the priority of homeland defense.

Meanwhile, on the international front, American policy toward Kosovo continues on its collision course with reality. Flouting every concept of legality and morality, official Washington (both the Bush Administration and leading Democrats in Congress) remains dedicated to the proposition that the KLA criminals and jihad terrorists who dominate Kosovos Albanian Muslim community should unilaterally declare the provinces independence from Serbia, to be recognized by the United States without any pretense of authority from the UN Security Council. (It should be noted that nothing in the UN Charter gives the Security Council authority to break off part of a states sovereign territory without its assent. How much less, then, does any country or group of countries have that right acting even without Security Council action, as the U.S. seeks to do to Serbia.)

But the fact is, Washingtons threats are meaningless, and neither the Albanians declaration nor U.S. recognition is inevitable. Given the Bush Administrations understandable preoccupation with Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention Iran, it is hoped a final solution for Kosovo can be imposed with a minimum of fuss. If it appears that will not be the case if the EU does not salute and fall into place (Cyprus, an EU member, has been increasingly vocal that it not only will never recognize Kosovo but even is prepared to veto any such action by Brussels), if important non-EU friends like Canada, India, and, especially, Israel balk a sustained effort to bully and bribe our way to a new coalition of the willing would hardly get Kosovo off Washingtons plate. (And this is not even noting the fundamental fact that Serbia never will sign on the dotted line. As noted by James Bissett, Canadas former Ambassador to Yugoslavia: In this regard it is interesting to note that in 1938, at the time of Munich, president Edvard Bene of Czechoslovakia, bullied by the British and French, signed the agreement to hand over the Sudetenland region to Germany, thus giving his consent to the transaction. It would seem that even Hitler insisted on at least the appearance of following the rules of international conduct.)

Even if the trigger is pulled on the unilateral scenario after the scheduled December 10 conclusion of the current talks between Belgrade and the Albanians, of course Serbia and Russia will not accept it. Neither would China, India, Indonesia, South Africa, Nigeria, and numerous other counties in Africa, whose own fragile borders reflect not demography but colonial boundaries. Likewise problematic for Washington would be Latin America, where, despite these countries historic relationship with the U.S. or maybe in some cases because of it there is a high degree of anti-yanqui popular sentiment in the region, as well as a very fastidious view about defending their sovereignty, especially vis--vis el coloso del norte, and preserving their protection under the UN Charter.

In short, even supposing Washington were to unleash the illegal and ill-advised course it now threatens, it will solve nothing relating to Kosovos status. Instead it would present the region, all of Europe, and the international community with a new and divisive predicament, in which the United States may find itself isolated -- not to mention setting off a new destabilization of the western Balkans, collapsing Serbias relationship with the U.S. (and possibly with the EU), and destroying any notion of international legality and territorial integrity of states under the UN Charter, as separatist movements around the world are encouraged to seek independence though violent and intolerant means.

The real question, then, is how much damage the architects of U.S. foreign policy are willing to inflict on American interests in pushing a policy condemned to failure, which even if successful would be harmful to all concerned. The fact that the responsible actors refuse to reassess their course in part reflects the desperation of a lame duck Administration to score a win somewhere, anywhere in this case, following a flawed policy inherited from its predecessor and kept on life support by State Department bureaucrats and the opposition party. Some win.

Thankfully, voices of reason increasingly are speaking out. One of the foremost is former U.S. Ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, author of a the soon-to-be released book Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the United Nations and Abroad, which focuses on the State Departments dysfunctional role in formulating U.S. policy, and not only on Kosovo. Speaking to the Voice of Americas Serbian Service in a recent interview, Ambassador Bolton noted: I quote, for example, a statement of one senior State Department official who told me once that if they knew how we formulate our foreign policy, Americans would be very dissatisfied. That should be the epitaph on the gravestone of Washingtons doomed Kosovo policy.

James George Jatras

Director, American Council for Kosovo
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Default Formula for independence in 10 steps and 4 segments

This is free formula. You can try, but be careful.

1. Ignore authority - First segment about 20-30 years
2. Ignore dialog - First segment
3. Organize "liberation army" - Second segment about 5 years
4. Start killing policeman and solgers - Second segment
5. Provocate police to attack - Second segment
6. When police kill "to many" terrorist (about 5000) then you can publich "Hey World save as, they do ethnic cleansing" - Third segment - Few mounts
7. Than NATO (without enabling Secure Council UN) bombing that country and kill about 1300 civilians and few solgers. - Third segment
8. Than UN brings resolution and peace - Fourth segment - 5-10 years
9. If in that named teritory you have still to many domestic people and their culture you must banish (about 250.000) him and burn what you can burn - Fourth segment
10. Declare independence

P.S. Before 1999. war in Kosovo had lived over 400.000 Serbs, but after war (and presently) just 150.000 Serbs!!!
P.S.P.S. Message for Serbia: Good ethnic cleansing, bravo!
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