Kosovo:The fire about to be lit.

DuH2 · #1 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 03:04 AM

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Serbian MPs issue Kosovo warning
Thursday, 27 December 2007, 00:28 GMT

Vojislav Kostunica said Serbs in Kosovo should ignore independence

The Serbian parliament has voted overwhelmingly to condemn any attempt by Kosovo to become independent.

Authorities in the province say they will declare independence unilaterally in the coming weeks, because talks with Serbia have made no progress.

The Belgrade parliament's resolution calls for action against those who recognise an independent Kosovo.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7160945.stm

Serbia today made clear it not going to play nice.

Background on what is going on --->

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UN fails to break Kosovo impasse

Kosovo Serbs are adamantly opposed to independence
The US and EU have said the potential for further negotiations over the future of Kosovo has been exhausted.
In a statement after talks at the UN Security Council failed to break the impasse, they said the EU would take the lead in implementing a settlement.

Backed by the US and EU members, the Kosovo Albanians are expected to declare independence from Serbia.

Serbia, and its ally in the council, Russia, said that such a move would be illegal and urged further negotiations.

Last week, the EU said it was prepared to send 1,800 police officers and administrators to Kosovo.

Legal dispute looms

Following a closed debate described as tense, in which the Security Council heard from the Serbian prime minister and Kosovo's president, representatives from the US and EU stood together and said the two sides were irreconcilable.

"It's clear in our view that more negotiations in this or any other format will not make a difference," said Belgium's permanent representative, Johan Verbeke.

We are entirely confident that resolution 1244 provides a sufficient legal base to move forward to a final settlement

Sir John Sawers
UK representative to the UN

Planning Kosovo's future

"We therefore endorse the view of the European Union and US negotiators that the potential for a negotiated solution is now exhausted."

The statement said the EU stood "ready to play a leading role in implementing a settlement defining Kosovo's future status".

In April, UN special envoy Martti Ahtisaari put forward a plan offering Kosovo "supervised independence".

Under the proposal, international agencies would gradually steer Kosovo towards full independence and membership of the UN. But they would also prevent it from merging with Albania, or having its Serb areas split off to become part of Serbia.

Both the US and UK representatives said Security Council resolution 1244, which was passed after Nato threw Serbia out of Kosovo in 1999, allowed for the implementation of Mr Ahtisaari's plan.

"We would have preferred to do that through the Security Council, but we are entirely confident that resolution 1244 provides a sufficient legal base to move forward to a final settlement and to establish the necessary authorities needed to achieve that," said the UK's envoy, Sir John Sawers.

'Null and void'

But the joint US-EU statement drew a sharp reaction from Russia.

Its representative at the UN, Vitaly Churkin, insisted there was still "ample ground" for negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina to continue.

"Any move towards unilateral independence would clearly be outside the limits of international law and outside the limits of resolution 1244," he told reporters after the meeting.

Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica said his country would declare "all unilateral acts of Albanian separatists null and void" - Kosovo would remain and integral and inalienable part of Serbia forever.

The BBC's Laura Trevelyan in New York says Western diplomats expect Kosovo to declare its intention to become independent early next year and for the EU to take up the issue once Serbian elections have taken place in February.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7151826.stm

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Friday, 7 December 2007, 14:54 GMT
The EU's mediator on Kosovo on Thursday criticised comments by Aleksandar Simic, an aide to Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica, who said war could be a "legal tool" to resolve the Kosovo issue if other methods failed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7132233.stm

This is something that could blow up without much trouble and involves major powers on opposite sides.
The US public for the most part is completely oblivious to it do to the almost complete lack of reporting on it in the US media.

Its very bizarre but Kosovo is on the verge of declaring independence. Both Serbia and Russia are calling BS on that idea. NATO and the EU are backing the Independence. The UN doesn't seem to know what to do. The regional players form the Albanians to the Serbs are flexing their muscles and rattling sabres. The region is known in general but recently for its wars. Its in EUROPE. All sorts of possibilities that could even lead to WWIII.

..and to the US media its not even a story......

nonsqtr · #2 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 04:44 AM

"ignore independence"..... interesting concept......

I don't think the US would take kindly to some state, say, Alaska, declaring "independence"......

What do you think?

Is there any kinda "mechanism" in place, for a state to secede from the union?

I don't think the "union" would like that very much, do you?

lunecat · #3 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 06:46 AM

This is a big deal and could cause alot of trouble in the near future especially as Russia are now flexing their military muscle.

Makes this announcement from a few weeks back more significant

http://www.reuters.com/article/world...18563620071205

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Russia said on Wednesday it would start the first major navy sortie into the Mediterranean since Soviet times, the latest move by an increasingly assertive Moscow to demonstrate its military might."

nonsqtr · #4 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lunecat

This is a big deal and could cause alot of trouble in the near future especially as Russia are now flexing their military muscle.

Makes this announcement from a few weeks back more significant

http://www.reuters.com/article/world...18563620071205

Hm.... that's an interesting concept too - I'm wondering, are there any examples in history, of anyone who "seceded", only to "rejoin the union" at some later date?

Flyflicker · #5 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 09:01 AM

Yes, this could be a big deal, no doubt about it.

Secession was what caused the US civil war a few years back. That was a big deal, wasn't it?

Why, indeed, doesn't this situation get more press in the US? My hypothesis is that the typical US news watcher is more interested in sports, entertainment, and local human interest stories, and probably doesn't understand what is going on in Kosovo, or Serbia, or any other far corner of the world. The media is driven by the need for readership or ratings, and so gives the customer what they want.

Giving the customer what they want is the formula for success in any business.

I wonder how much press it would get if California decided to split and become the Bear Flag Republic once again? I'm guessing that would make people sit up and take notice, but maybe not.

If we could gain independence from the US as easily as we once did from Mexico, the Bear Flag Republic could be a fine and prosperous new nation. It wouldn't be worth a civil war, of course, but a peaceful secession would allow us to divorce ourselves from that federal debt, and no longer ever have to put up with a president from Texas.

I wonder if it would work... well, maybe if we can keep people looking the other way. Maybe while American Idol is taking center stage would be a good time.

f100supersabr · #6 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 12:43 PM

The Kosovubian action to try and become "independent" of Serbia is nothng more than the "partition of Serbia". I hate to be on the same side as the great satian Russia but brfeaking up Serbia is wrong.

Serbia is not some an empire nor is it evil like Russia. What should be partitioned is Russia not Serbia. Wrong is wrong.

f100supersabr · #7 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyflicker

Yes, this could be a big deal, no doubt about it.

Secession was what caused the US civil war a few years back. That was a big deal, wasn't it?

Why, indeed, doesn't this situation get more press in the US? My hypothesis is that the typical US news watcher is more interested in sports, entertainment, and local human interest stories, and probably doesn't understand what is going on in Kosovo, or Serbia, or any other far corner of the world. The media is driven by the need for readership or ratings, and so gives the customer what they want.

Giving the customer what they want is the formula for success in any business.

I wonder how much press it would get if California decided to split and become the Bear Flag Republic once again? I'm guessing that would make people sit up and take notice, but maybe not.

If we could gain independence from the US as easily as we once did from Mexico, the Bear Flag Republic could be a fine and prosperous new nation. It wouldn't be worth a civil war, of course, but a peaceful secession would allow us to divorce ourselves from that federal debt, and no longer ever have to put up with a president from Texas.

I wonder if it would work... well, maybe if we can keep people looking the other way. Maybe while American Idol is taking center stage would be a good time.

Kalifornica would become a vasal state of Mexico in a matter of months if it split with the US. You have the biggest fifth column Mexiacs ready to destroy ANY FORM OF Kaliforiac "independence" . If such a thing ever happened the only way you could survive would be to perform a Nazi type ethnic cleansing of all of your Mexiacs. Hell you propably can't even trust those Mexiacs who have lived in KALIFORNIA for 5 or 6 generations.

wHY DON'T YOU DECLARFE YOUR "INDEPENDENCE on May 5 th , 2008 so you can have your own ChIcO de MAYO

Just think Schwartzenbugger could be like his "NAZI " dad. LOL !!Arbeit, die Sie kostenlos

Flyflicker · #8 (**permalink**) 12-28-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by f100supersabr

Kalifornica would become a vasal state of Mexico in a matter of months if it split with the US. You have the biggest fifth column Mexiacs ready to destroy ANY FORM OF Kaliforiac "independence" . If such a thing ever happened the only way you could survive would be to perform a Nazi type ethnic cleansing of all of your Mexiacs. Hell you propably can't even trust those Mexiacs who have lived in KALIFORNIA for 5 or 6 generations.

wHY DON'T YOU DECLARFE YOUR "INDEPENDENCE on May 5 th , 2008 so you can have your own ChIcO de MAYO

Just think Schwartzenbugger could be like his "NAZI " dad. LOL !!Arbeit, die Sie kostenlos

Vassal state of Mexico? Hardly. We'd have one of the most powerful economic nations on earth, as opposed to a sorry third world nation that is Mexico. Mexico would be our vassal state. Maybe we could even put a stop to illegal immigration, something that our great protector in Washington is unable to do.

JP5 · #9 (**permalink**) 12-28-2007, 03:18 PM

What??? You mean Bill Clinton's involving us in Kosovo and bombing the heck out of Yugoslavia did NOT have lasting results??? Oh well. But hey, I'm sure the Dems will tell you, "At least he tried."

lunecat · #10 (**permalink**) 12-29-2007, 02:10 AM

It doesn't take much reading up on Kosovo's history to realise that it has never naturally been part of any one Country - Serbia are mearly the most recent occupiers - The current population is ethnic muslim/Albanian and should be free to declare Independence if they wish - they were treated like dirt by the Serbians and until NATO prevented it there was genocide been carryied out by the Serbs against the majority population if they caused any "trouble".

We should support them in their desire to become Independent and ignore Serbian and Russian threats.

And you are being plane daft if you draw a parallel between Kosovo declaring Independence and Caliornia splitting from the US!

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