Just a chink of light in bleak Rusky Land

**Dutch** · Apr 21 2012, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Doctor Syn

Is it true Russians don't like black people?

In Russia, the word "blacks" has different meaning; it is not negroes who are called blacks, but the Central Asians - Turkmen, Kirghiz and especially Azerbaijanis. And yes, the Russians do not like them. African blacks are not paid any attention to; there are many of them in Moscow, and you can frequently hear an African black speaking perfect Russian, which is almost never the case with Central Asian people.

**Flag** · Apr 21 2012, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dutch

In Russia, the word "blacks" has different meaning; it is not negroes who are called blacks, but the Central Asians - Turkmen, Kirghiz and especially Azerbaijanis. And yes, the Russians do not like them. African blacks are not paid any attention to; there are many of them in Moscow, and you can frequently hear an African black speaking perfect Russian, which is almost never the case with Central Asian people.

russian neo nazis and street beatings found your statement funny

**Dutch** · Apr 21 2012, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Flag

russian neo nazis and street beatings found your statement funny

Which part? that Central Asians are the new "blacks" in Russia?

**Potap** · Apr 22 2012, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Flag

russian neo nazis and street beatings found your statement funny

You are wrong. Dutch absolutely correctly has given you the meaning of the word "black" in Russian understanding of this word. Speaking "black" we usually mean immigrants from Southern Caucasus and Central Asia. As to African people we use the word Negr. But this word has no offensive shade in Russian language, this is just a designation of a racial belonging, nothing more. Similarly to words as German, Englishman, Spaniard, Chinese and so on, that tell us about ethnicity. No doubt, you can meet a racist which does not love africans among neo-Nazis and skinheads. But this is very small and specific part of the population. The others 99,99 % of the population do not pay attention to africans which live in Russia, because we have very few immigrants from the countries of Africa. So we have the paradoxical situation - those few immigrants from Africa which live here, having no own diaspora in Russia, are compelled to live among Russian cultural environment and quickly enough integrated into Russian society. While we have several millions immigrants from Southern Caucasus and Central Asia. Some of them come in Russia having racist feelings towards Russians. Usually these people live inside own diaspora, not wishing to be integrated and cause crimes. There is a statistics: for example at 2004 so-called ethnic criminal groups have caused 64 % of all crimes fixed in territory of Russia. This situation generates Russian racism towards immigrants as response.

I do not want to justify racism. Any racism is the savagery in my understanding. But speaking about this phenomenon we should speak about not only Russian or West European racism towards immigrants. We should not forget racism of immigrants towards aboriginals of the European countries. This racism is not better at all than Russian or West-European one.

**Doctor Syn** · Apr 22 2012, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Potap

You are wrong. Dutch absolutely correctly has given you the meaning of the word "black" in Russian understanding of this word. Speaking "black" we usually mean immigrants from Southern Caucasus and Central Asia. As to African people we use the word Negr. But this word has no offensive shade in Russian language, this is just a designation of a racial belonging, nothing more. Similarly to words as German, Englishman, Spaniard, Chinese and so on, that tell us about ethnicity. No doubt, you can meet a racist which does not love africans among neo-Nazis and skinheads. But this is very small and specific part of the population. The others 99,99 % of the population do not pay attention to africans which live in Russia, because we have very few immigrants from the countries of Africa. So we have the paradoxical situation - those few immigrants from Africa which live here, having no own diaspora in Russia, are compelled to live among Russian cultural environment and quickly enough integrated into Russian society. While we have several millions immigrants from Southern Caucasus and Central Asia. Some of them come in Russia having racist feelings towards Russians. Usually these people live inside own diaspora, not wishing to be integrated and cause crimes. There is a statistics: for example at 2004 so-called ethnic criminal groups have caused 64 % of all crimes fixed in territory of Russia. This situation generates Russian racism towards immigrants as response.

I do not want to justify racism. Any racism is the savagery in my understanding. But speaking about this phenomenon we should speak about not only Russian or West European racism towards immigrants. We should not forget racism of immigrants towards aboriginals of the European countries. This racism is not better at all than Russian or West-European one.

So, basically, what you're saying is Russians don't have a problem with skin colour on the whole, but what they see as out of control immigration.

**EvilAztec** · Apr 22 2012, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Doctor Syn

So, basically, what you're saying is Russians don't have a problem with skin colour on the whole, but what they see as out of control immigration.

Potap trying to speak the language of the people's encyclopedia, this is his own business, but it is a spit to direction of internationalism of Russia.
About topic, yes here it is a problem in the migration service,but all of these problems are largely solved with the help of the state budget,illegal migrants sends their homeland .
Think of it as about the costs of the transition period in the history of the USSR.
USSR still exist.

**Doctor Syn** · Apr 22 2012, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by EvilAztec

Potap trying to speak the language of the people's encyclopedia, this is his own business, but it is a spit to direction of internationalism of Russia.
About topic, yes here it is a problem in the migration service,but all of these problems are largely solved with the help of the state budget,illegal migrants sends their homeland .
Think of it as about the costs of the transition period in the history of the USSR.
USSR still exist.

Would Russians like to go back to the Soviet days?