Thread: Even Stalin allowed four people purchase bread, not Kremlin in 2012!

Having been afraid revolution Kremlin have practically imposed Martial law in Russia: it is prohibited for any group of two or more person to walk, to run, to go without special permission. The wrongdoing can be fined $15K or imprisonment.Some students are joking about Putin's officials and ask to allow a group of four people to buy bread.Sure it is immediately prohibited because any group larger as two persons is illegal in Russia.

Is it not mentally illness of Kremlin Regime?

In Nizhny Novgorod, politically active young people wanted to bring officials to white-hot patently absurd notices of meetings. And succeeded. Due to the thoughtless reaction Hall polušutlivaâ application for "procession in order to purchase a loaf" is about to make a third capital of Russia center of political struggle. The escalation of the absurd with interest "the fountain River".

Last Friday, 15 June, the administration of Nizhny Novgorod in the name of its head of a. Kondrashova notification of the event. In accordance with the FEDERAL LAW "on assemblies, meetings ..." organizers reported that 29 June 9 to 10:0 a group of four people is going to hold a March from the Kose b. Pokrovskaya Street "Nizhny Novgorod" supermarket. In order to buy bread.

"We have initiated a public campaign" life according to the law, "told" Fontanka "one of the activists – nizhegorodets Alexander Krasnov. – Decided to give notice to the Town Hall about all sorts of everyday situations – what we do every day. The first was an application for trekking to the store for bread.

The ultimate goal of active young people, said Alexander krasnov, is "proving the absurdity of public Act amendments, which include a ban on celebrations and things like that."

It is unknown how everything turned out, please take our city boys and girls walk behind bread on any routes in any part and buy them in any quantity. It is possible that young people just would eat purchased loaf. But the inertia of the city administration had proven "not oppress."

Within three days, that is in full compliance with the law, organisers mass purchase Bread was answered in the negative: "City Administration does not agree to the stated place and time of public events (processions)". Because "the stated purpose of ... "buy a baton in the company of friends and performed at the requirements of the new law on rallies," as well as "specified in the notification form public event" procession "to shop for a baguette" do not meet the requirements of the law.

http://rudoyandrey.livejournal.com/8435.html

-What is the answer! – razdražënno commented on "Fontanka" ban on buying the meat specialist of the Department on work with law enforcement authorities in Nizhny Novgorod Valeriy Petânin.

Although one could guess that such a response only podstegnët young people.

From Monday the Administration began to fill applications for rallies and marches. Officials have notified about intention to exercise at a bus stop to wait for the bus, walk along the Boulevard, about celebrating a birthday at a fountain ... The pinnacle of creativity of young activists began filing notice on holding processions to apply notification.

-If a notice filed on Friday, only one person, on Monday--only three of my friends, and now we have another dozen! – boasted Alexander Krasnov.

To the campaign, he said, had not only his friends, but the other young and politically active people. On Tuesday at the city administration was already a decent pile of applications.

– Yesterday was just a girl, brought a pack of seven pieces, and today there are dozens! – complained "Fontanke" Mister Petânin. – Students indulge in, and I'm now up to 8-9 pm sit and write their answers! ...

Alas, this is not the limit, Mr Petânin.

– We will try to create a phase by the end of the week to submit notifications that promised "Fontanke" Alexander Krasnov.

Officials have made new progress is very much in the style of: released a statement aimed at combating dangerous

To complicate the US filing, they tried to bureaucratize this procedure, Krasnov. Now each paper before serving it to endorse the Ad Hoc Committee, where it is read by the dedicated people.

But the seemingly easier: they want young people to buy bread for political purposes and to allow them, the four of them-let them eat for health. Want to celebrate at the fountain – please come, "happy birthday" ... Why officials did not have such a path is mystery. Reply to "Fontanke" on this issue, Mr Petânin failed.

-I will give your advice to their administration, maybe next time we will use them, "he promised, and put the phone down.

Too late: the first silly answers to wacky requests "have brought the" Nizhny Novgorod, already hostile whirlwinds with vengeance over her. And if earlier history with bread and fountains can really seem like overindulgence, now has a completely comprehensive youth policy requirements.

We refused to hold marches, saying that such a reason: supposedly we do not have to any expression of public opinions and demands, "says Alexander Krasnov. "We have notified yesterday have new ...

Now they want to not just go for bread. From the local authorities, they want to demand end to deny them promotions that are not against the law. And at the federal level, young people are going to be no less, repeal of the law, vstupivše

The original story:

http://www.shturmnovosti.com/view.php?id=39305

It was a very stupid bill. Such dumb govt actions are a good way to annoy people and aggravate the situation in the country.

Originally Posted by Ostap Bender

Having been afraid revolution Kremlin have practically imposed Martial law in Russia: it is prohibited for any group of two or more person to walk, to run, to go without special permission. The wrongdoing can be fined $15K or imprisonment.Some students are joking about Putin's officials and ask to allow a group of four people to buy bread.Sure it is immediately prohibited because any group larger as two persons is illegal in Russia.

Is it not mentally illness of Kremlin Regime?

How terrible live in this world, I say seriously ,really, really scary but only for Americans really scary live in this world. lol
Ostap , your country has one wonderfull inner Law, it is "Patriot Act".

"The USA PATRIOT Act gives an ambiguous definition to the crime of “domestic terrorism” that could be conveniently interpreted to encompass civil disobedience. Was Martin Luther King a “terrorist”? Only the defenders of an unjust status quo that is only favorable to them would find the movements for change terrifying. The Secretary of State is now empowered to designate groups as “terrorist groups” or engaged in “terrorist activities” with such vague parameters that groups from churches to political parties to non-governmental organizations could all be susceptible to such a designation. The act now gives the law-enforcement and intelligence agencies much greater access to information transmitted through various modes of communication, including the Internet, without the burden of probable cause. Such powers of surveillance certainly threaten our cherished First Amendment that grants the freedom of expression. Even more frightening is that these and many other powers granted to separate branches of our government without proper checks and balances just reek of potential abuse."
http://tech.mit.edu/V122/N29/col29steph.29c.html

Originally Posted by SAUER

It was a very stupid bill. Such dumb govt actions are a good way to annoy people and aggravate the situation in the country.

What one bill passed by Kremlin is not stupid?

Originally Posted by EvilAztec

How terrible live in this world, I say seriously ,really, really scary but only for Americans really scary live in this world. lol
Ostap , your country has one wonderfull inner Law, it is "Patriot Act".

Everybody is allow to build groups in the US without any special permission or fines.

No doubt that "Patriot Act" and any analogous bill suck as well.
Govt knows that you can make people do anything if they're afraid.

Originally Posted by Ostap Bender

What one bill passed by Kremlin is not stupid?

we have a lot of good acts here. unfortunately they don't work properly .

The Red's/Bear/Stalin/Commies/USSR thing...you guys should really come up with something new.

By the way, wasn't Romney father connected to leftwing radical nut Saul Alinsky? Obama is connected to him too...ummmm. USSA?

Russian cooking show on the subject

Uncle Joe 60 years dead now...

Russia marks 60th anniversary of Stalin's death
Mar 5,`13 -- Devotees of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, whose brutal purges killed millions of innocent citizens and made his name a byword for totalitarian terror, flocked to the Kremlin to praise him for making his country a world power Tuesday, while experts and politicians puzzled and despaired over his enduring popularity.

Communist Party chief Gennady Zyuganov led some 1,000 zealots who laid carnations at Stalin's grave by the Kremlin wall in Moscow, praising him as a symbol of the nation's "great victories" and saying that Russia needs to rely on this "unique experience" to overcome its problems. Stalin led the Soviet Union from 1924 until his death in 1953. Communists and other hardliners credit him with leading the country to victory in World War II and turning it into a nuclear superpower, while critics condemn his repressions. Historians estimate that more than 800,000 people were executed during the purges that peaked during the Great Terror in the late 1930s, and millions more died of harsh labor and cruel treatment in the giant Gulag prison camp system, mass starvation in Ukraine and southern Russia and deportations of ethnic minorities. "Those repressions touched every city, town, and village," Mikhail Fedotov, chairman of the presidential human rights council, said on Tuesday. "We can never forget this."

The liberal Moskovskie Novosti's cover Tuesday read "Stalin. Farewell" with the dictator's face scribbled over with childish graffiti, while staunch Communist daily Sovetskaya Rossiya ran a cover story on Stalin headlined "His time will come." An opinion survey commissioned by the Carnegie Endowment found Stalin has remained widely admired in Russia and other ex-Soviet nations despite his repressions. Its authors noted that public attitudes to the dictator have improved during Russian President Vladimir Putin's 13-year rule, as the Kremlin has found Stalin's image useful in its efforts to tighten control. Roman Fomin, who organized a group laying carnations at the grave, said a leader like Stalin "would definitely be for the good of the country and the country would be developing much better than it is now."

Putin, whose professed ideology draws heavily from Soviet statism, has made efforts to give Stalin a more positive historical evaluation. School history textbooks have been released stressing Stalin's role as an "effective manager" of the 1930s Soviet industrialization campaign, though historians express far greater skepticism about his supposed economic achievements. Liberal newspaper Vedomosti dismissed "the crazy dichotomy of achievements and losses" in an editorial Tuesday. "You can't put economic achievements and human losses side by side, but even if you try, you won't find any justification for the Stalin myth," it said.

Pro-Kremlin lawmakers campaigned this year to rename the city of Volgograd to Stalingrad - its name from 1925 to 1961 - in commemoration of the battle against Nazi Germany there, widely considered both World War II's bloodiest and its turning point. Most Russians, however, oppose the move and see Stalin's death primarily as the end of an era of political repression, according to a poll by the independent Levada Center published Monday. Opposition politicians have criticized the government for failing to clearly condemn Stalin's repressions. Grigory Yavlinsky, a liberal former presidential candidate, demanded Tuesday that the government "recognize what happened as a crime" and compensate Gulag prisoners who built some of Russia's biggest industrial enterprises, including metals giant Norilsk Nickel.

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On the 60th anniversary of the death of Soviet supreme ruler Joseph Stalin there is still controversy over how to view his legacy in his homeland Georgia. Millions died when Stalin imposed iron discipline and state terror to root out "enemies of the people" and build a communist state. But in the town of Gori, where he was born, the city council recently decided to re-erect a huge statue of Stalin, which the pro-Western government of President Mikheil Saakashvili took down almost three years ago. It is a sign, historians say, that the country needs to confront its Soviet past.

Gori's main tourist attraction is its museum to Stalin. The ornate building, with its collection of heroic photographs and Stalin's death mask, appears frozen in time - a Soviet shrine to the dictator, almost untouched since the museum was built in 1957. But Olga Tochishvili, who has worked as a guide here since the Soviet era, says attitudes towards Stalin are changing. "In Georgia, most of the old generation like Stalin. They think he was a great statesman, with his small mistakes. Young people don't like Stalin, of course. Our young people are not interested in history and they don't like Stalin."

Hero or villain?

But it is not just attitudes. Gori's cityscape has changed as well. The main boulevard, Stalin Street, used to be dominated by the huge statue of the dictator. But it was removed in 2010 by Mr Saakashvili's westernising government - a decision that upset many people in Gori. Nikoloz Kapanadze, who earns tips by helping cars to find parking places in Stalin Street, told me the statue should be returned. "Everybody wants that, not only me, but the whole of Gori, the whole of Georgia wants the monument to be installed where it was before. I am 65 and I've only heard good things about him throughout my life." A few weeks ago the city council allocated funds to re-erect the statue at the Stalin museum.

The decision seems to be partly the result of a political upheaval in Georgia. Mr Saakashvili's party was defeated in parliamentary elections last October by the Georgian Dream coalition, which wants to repair Georgia's rocky relations with Russia. Gori's new mayor, David Razuadze, from Georgian Dream says Stalin's statue will be re-installed by the summer. "People in Gori have this feeling that the name Stalin is known in the world and so is their little town… Georgia is known worldwide because of Stalin. And the position of the previous government, which was basically an insult, was unbearable. And I say, you can condemn Stalin's period, you can condemn political repressions and the old way of life - but you should not touch personalities." The statue seems to have become part of the tug of war between Georgia's political parties.

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