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Old 03-19-2008, 07:21 AM
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The point is this: US have better technology, Russia has better scientists.

With good cash flow in the years to come, Russia will raise the technological level of its armed forces.

At the moment, except USA, no military in the world can match Russian. AFter some time, considering the economic boom in Russia (and US recession) and the quantity of her resources, Russia will most likely become the world's military power No1. Time will show.
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I don't know why you're scrapping your Typhoons. Maybe to fund the Borei class subs?
And Funding is what they need. Observe:

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The launch of the first submarine of the class, the Yury Dolgoruky, was scheduled for 2002 but was delayed because of budget constraints.

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Heh heh...they did finally manage to launch one (1) last year.

There are two more under construction. I am not sure what this class offers that previous classes did not. It's capabilities don't seem that remarkable compared to other modern subs.
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The point is this: US have better technology, Russia has better scientists.
If Russia had better scientists, they would also have better technology.

But Russia's main weakness is it's economy, not the quality of it's scientists.


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With good cash flow in the years to come, Russia will raise the technological level of its armed forces.
They will never have that with people like Putin in power.


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At the moment, except USA, no military in the world can match Russian. AFter some time, considering the economic boom in Russia (and US recession)
Even during the deepest point of a recession, our economy dwarf's Russia's. Their peak is still lower than our worst day. The same is true of China.

The entire EU combined barely matches the American economy.


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It already has. The Soviets had Russia's resources. Where are they now?
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...you know, B-52 bomber also has a very old design. But still remains in service.
In an entirely different role than the one it was designed for. It may still be a bomber, but we have no intention of ever using to deliver nukes to Russia again (we have the B-2 for that). The B-52 is a tactical/strategic bomber in areas where we have air superiority and a cruise missile carrier otherwise.
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You are right. On the other hand, SLBMs from Typhoon could be targeted ether on city or on aircraft carrier and supporting ships.
They could but it would be a greivous waste of resources. No navy would waste a MIRVed SLBM on a carrier group when a nuclear torpedo or cruise missile would work better.

To counter this though, Russia could expect an appropriate retaliation if they destroyed one of our carrier groups with a nuke.
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Yeah, the B-52 has long been obsolete for the role it was intended. Even in areas where we have air superiority we would probably still use the F-117 or other modern bombers.

Bombing warfare now is about precision munitions, not carpet bombing. And carpet bombing is what the B-52 was designed to do.
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They could but it would be a greivous waste of resources. No navy would waste a MIRVed SLBM on a carrier group when a nuclear torpedo or cruise missile would work better.

To counter this though, Russia could expect an appropriate retaliation if they destroyed one of our carrier groups with a nuke.
Yep...MAD works against Russia, because they care about the consequences. We can do everything they can.
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If Russia had better scientists, they would also have better technology.

But Russia's main weakness is it's economy, not the quality of it's scientists.
Money is the problem. Or was.

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Their peak is still lower than our worst day.
But your peak, whichever it is, is lower than Russian bottom considering the potentials of their country. Wait and see the polar bear wake up and all of you tremble before him
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Yeah, the B-52 has long been obsolete for the role it was intended. Even in areas where we have air superiority we would probably still use the F-117 or other modern bombers.

Bombing warfare now is about precision munitions, not carpet bombing. And carpet bombing is what the B-52 was designed to do.
We still use carpet bombing though. And the B-52 can carry guided bombs.

We use the B-52 in less populated areas in Afghanistan to do Vietnam style Arklight attacks, which are effectively carpet bombing. And B-52's in Afghanistan can loiter over the battlefield for a long time carrying JDAMs and JSOWs (by the dozens) for use by any ground unit that calls for them.
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But your peak, whichever it is, is lower than Russian bottom considering the potentials of their country. Wait and see the polar bear wake up and all of you tremble before him
Careful what you wish for. I know you think a powerful Russia will be your good friend and shoot Albanians for you.

But I imagine not too long ago the Bear looked upon your chunk of the world as a bunch of seals.

Also Russia will face competition from China and, eventually, India for being the major player in the region. Especially depending on whether Russia moves forward or backward. And of course the EU continues to grow and gain cohesivness, though how cohesive and effective they can be in the sense of operating as a single force remains to be seen.

What I'd hope in these buildups is that we could avoid a cold war feeling. Maybe instead play powers vs rogue states.

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