Exactly. And NATO helped them.

It was said here that Putin lead our country to the new Cold War. Maybe... But Russia just wants to live. In 90s out politics lead us to the edge of abyss. Then the U.S. watch us and didn't nothing to improve our state. Our life changed when Putin became the President. We could stand up and see into the future with some kind of hope. And right now this future is taunted by plotting of Bush and his administration. He wants to built US military base everywhere. And Kosovo will be the next place for NATO base.

Oh please...."this time"? Russia is only a shadow of what the Soviets were.


I have a better idea. Lets sell them weapons, train them, and then start trade relations with them.

And then sit back and watch Russia do nothing.



Because they are being oppressed and want their own nation.

The Serbs kinda brought this on themselves. No one forced them to oppress them.






We understand that not all Muslims are evil. So we choose to give them the benefit of the doubt. I am sorry your personal experiences prevent you from doing the same. But you dont get to define our foreign policy.



We're willing to take that risk. The alternatives are worse.


And now we have changed our behavior. Arent you proud of us?


When has that stopped us before?



What do you predict Russia will do besides "nothing"?



Who is arguing that the Serbs don't deserve a democracy?


As a Russian I am sure you are very comfortable with empty rhetoric.



Oh yeah, so defeated that Saddam is now dead and Al Queada (by their own admission) utterly demoralized.


So long as we get our way, feel free to believe we are being manipulated if it makes you feel better.

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We've already got boots on the ground there, since about 1999. Right now there are about 1,400 U.S. soldiers in Kosovo as part of Task Force Falcon, the U.S. contingent in the 15,000-strong Kosovo Force. The vast majority of U.S. troops are stationed outside of Urosevac at Camp Bondsteel. A company-size element is based at Camp Nothing Hill, a military compound near the border with Serbia. Most of these U.S. soldiers are with the National Guard. The NATO-led Kosovo Force (KFOR) currently includes forces from the U.S., Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Spain, Poland, Greece, Turkey, Russia, Canada, and Ukraine.

and of course to some folks 1,400 U.S. peacekeepers is the equivalent of taking over the entire region...

I think you know nothing both about Soviet Union and Russia.

Like you already did with Saddam or Bin Laden. Train them and sell them weapons. Someday they'll bait your arse.

Oppressed? How passionate.

Even dirty whore is more honest than your "foreign policy".

You were and are highly predictable.

What are you talking about?

Nothing? We can train serbian nationalist to blow up so-called "Kosovar Independence".

Nah, the only person who likes empty rhetoric is Sadistic- Savior, an American.

Mission Accomplished, huh??!

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I know enough to know that the Soviets dwarfed Russia in every way that matters.


Yeah, pretty much. Except this time we are arming a democracy. Making progress eh?



How many democracies have bitten us in the arse so far? Statistically speaking, its not that many.

We only get bitten in the arse when we arm and support NON-democracies.


Did I stutter?


I am an idealist. As are most Americans. Thats part of the reason threats are so ineffective against us.



Then tell me what you think we are going to do next. Lets test your theory that we are predictable.


The fact that we interfere where we please, whether it is our "business" or not. (Idealists, remember?)

The rules don't apply to despots or despotic governments. They have no rights.


Bring it on. Al Queada thought they could do the same. How is that going for them?

Personally, I predict Russia will not even do that much.


Getting there. I'm not sure why they even bother to continue to resist us. Their defeat is clearly inevitable. They dont have the resources to compete with us.

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So you would risk turning the whole thing into a war, a true testament to the Russian character I would say.

This can be worked out peacefully. A compromise can be reached.

However, if Russia wants to challenge the US and NATO (the combination that brought the strongest entity Russia has ever produced to it's knees) then go on Putin, embarrass yourself and countrymen further.

Train Serbian Nationalists to overthrow the Kosovan government? What a great new way to demonstrate Russian responsibilty (take into account the Gas you guys sell to W.Europe, would theyw ant to buy Gas off you if you did this?).

Sorry Grond, America still calls the shots.

If we are speaking in pure objective terms, surely Putin should wait a while before trying to challenge American hegemony, he is still trying to recover the military and economy. I say recovering because the USSR was the 2nd largest economy in the world, which made us Yanks very anxious. Come on Putin, your playing your cards to quickyl here man and it's not even a Full House!!!!!!

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Independence should have come years ago but better late than never I guess. Anyway, what would happen if Kosovo remained a province of Serbia? How could the government of Serbia apply laws and policies to a people that doesn't recognize its authority? Power comes from the people and when 90% of the population wants to get rid of you, you don't stand much power. Regardless of what happened there over time, this is the only viable solution in the present time. Congratulations to Kosovo for becoming masters of your own destiny at last!

I do not think so !! If this was Chechnya or Tatarshchina or Serbo-Siberia (lol) it would be different. Rven the Bolsheviks are not that stupid!!!

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Anyone want to bet how fast Russia would recognize The Krym ( aka Crimea for you foreigners ) if the Russian interlopers of The Crimea declared it's "indepemdence" from Ukraine ??

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