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By the way, the Americans would be crushed in Serbia, if they attacked it without using the sophisticated weapons and surveillance systems.
Crap! And I was hoping to invade Serbia next week with my trusty bow and arrows.

Guess I'll have to postpone now.
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The variables are different. They did not have access to our technology. That is why they were unable to maintain their empires.

In the information age that is no longer an issue. Orders can be sent and received is mere seconds, anywhere on the planet.
Rome had the greatest technology of her time, as do we. Technology is irrelevant when opposition is great enough.

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How are we suppressing anyone?

Democracy is superior to every form of government developed so far. The empirical evidence supports this conclusion. The most powerful nation in history is a democracy, and the vast majority of powerful modern nations are democracies.

So you really have no way of knowing that Democracy is not the ultimate form of government, right?

All of the existing alternatives to democracy are inherently evil. Until I see an exception to this rule, I am willing to assume that all non-democracies are evil by default.

Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. Socialism is an economic model, not a political model.

Pretty much. We don't know that it always will be, but we assume so.

Because socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. See above.

We were a democracy then, and we are still a democracy now. What changed?


Good. I hope this is the beginning of a trend. We should not cooperate with anyone who favors oppressing people. Negotiation is irrelevant.
I did not want to point it out before, but you show typical ignorance of foreign thought, much as many Americans. Let us jump back in American history a little bit. You might be interested to know the only thing which stood between the populist/socialist party and the presidency was corrupt politics and corrupt business. Which is democracy - its very nature opens the doors to corruption, it will be our undoing in the future as we 'spread' democracy when we are actually acting out of economic self interest. Everyone else in the world can see this but Americans, unwrap your stars and stripes bandana and you would see it also.
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You know EDIT about world politics...

DO YOU REALLY BELEIEVE THAT USA BACKS THE ALBANIANS BECaUSE OF THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS?

And when did ever Americans care about human rights if that was not in their economic or military interest?

The Bondstill base in Kosovo is THE LARGEST AMERICAN BASE IN THE WORLD, outside of US soil.

Democracy, huh? How stupid you are.... <--- Personal attack

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And when did ever Americans care about human rights if that was not in their economic or military interest?

The Bondstill base in Kosovo is THE LARGEST AMERICAN BASE IN THE WORLD, outside of US soil.
Agreed, that is what I have been trying to point out but my mainstream news-evolved brethren cannot understand.
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By the way, the US Embassy in Belgrade is burning right now. And a burned body was found in it, which cannot be identified.

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By the way, the US Embassy in Belgrade is burning right now.
We've done it again, America:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...OCyG6-9L6aAGqw
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I agree. They have no oil, and they are weaker.
Russia has oil. Guess who likes Serbia? But you're right, Russia doesn't matter *sarcasm*.
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Me: Historical origins are irrelevant. I don't really care how important a piece of dirt is to the Serbians. They could have chosen not to oppress the Kosovo minority, and thus retain their control of this "sacred land". They refused to do that. The Serbs had the initiative. Now they will have to deal with the consequences of their actions.

There was no opression,
I am unwilling to take your word for it.


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Hahaha, very funny. Who the hell do you think you are? A typical, full of EDIT, knowing-everything, American...
Pretty much, yeah.

I believe you are biased in favor of the Serbs. Thats why I do not trust your opinion.



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Funny to say, but you are far away from the power you had under Clinton.
Apparently our power is still sufficient to defend Kosovo's freedom. But if you think you can:




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And the whole world hates you.
Don't let my mocking laughter fool you. On the inside I am crying a million tears because the whole world hates us, heh heh

If the alternative is allowing oppression to go unchallenged, I am ok with the whole world hating us. The alternative is worse.


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Finally, in a century or so, you will end up in tatters.
Perhaps. But not today.


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Rome had the greatest technology of her time, as do we.
Rome did not have instant communication. We do not have the same limitations they did. That is why your comparison is inaccurate. the variables are not the same.



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Technology is irrelevant when opposition is great enough.
The opposition will have to also rely on technology in order to overcome our technology. So technology will never be irrelevant.

That was even true of Rome. Part of the reason they were so successful was because their technology was superior to their contemporaries.



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I did not want to point it out before, but you show typical ignorance of foreign thought, much as many Americans.
You are not the first to say so. I am ok with that opinion, though I dont agree with it. I am very arrogant, even by American standards.



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Which is democracy - its very nature opens the doors to corruption
I do not agree that corruption is inevitable under a democracy. Even if it was, I think the evidence makes it clear that corruption is less likely under a democracy than under all the non-democratic alternatives.



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DO YOU REALLY BELEIEVE THAT USA BACKS THE ALBANIANS BECaUSE OF THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS?
Yes.


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And when did ever Americans care about human rights if that was not in their economic or military interest?
What interest do we have in Kosovo besides human interest?



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The Bondstill base in Kosovo is THE LARGEST AMERICAN BASE IN THE WORLD, outside of US soil.
And what we we lose if it is closed down? Kosovo is hardly our only ally in the region.



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Democracy, huh? How stupid you are....
Guess you should have made more of an effort to convince us you were not oppressing your minorities eh? Ah well. I am sure you will know better next time.



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By the way, the US Embassy in Belgrade is burning right now. And a burned body was found in it, which cannot be identified.
This will distance us from Serbia even more, making a compromise less likely. Looks like Kosovo independence has just been cemented.
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Russia has oil. Guess who likes Serbia?
We've pissed off the Russians before, and they still sell us oil. And if they didnt we would just get it from another source.

Stekm educated me on this topic. Oil is a global commodity. If Russia stops selling to us, they will have to sell to someone else. As a consequence, the remaining suppliers will need to find new customers to replace the ones that Russia took away from them. Guess who the new customers will be.

So the "oh no they're not going to sell us oil anymore!1!!!1!11!" argument is empty.
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I believe you are biased in favor of the Serbs. Thats why I do not trust your opinion.
I don't think you trust anybody's opinion but yours.

And you are so biased in favor of Albanians, whom you know nothing about, and blame Serbs for "opression" which is funny in comparison to what Albanians did to Serbian civilians some 150 years ago.
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