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Old 02-18-2008, 03:55 AM
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I honestly think the whole thing will result in a diplomatic stalemate, with the West (in general) supporting Kosovos indipendence and the East condeming it- however, I cant see any real miltiary conflict resulting from this, just another partially recognised state has been born. putting a load of Marines in Kosovo may however be a step in the wrong direction, as Kosovo had said that it is commited to peace and upholding human rights.

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Last time we left the Europeans to sort their problems out, they got into 2 world wars.
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Have you even hold an assault rifle, dear brave speaking armchair commando?
Yes, I have held an Assault Rifle, M16 as a matter of fact (alot better than the AK's!)

Armchair Commando, well maybe, but how is this relevant? Soldiers sign up to be at the disgression of the Civilian Government, you Russians seem to have trouble getting a hang of that.

We don't have to convince our Military to do anything, they get the word from the Government and they act. Pretty decisive, no?

It seems you Russians forget when the Serbians commited large scale Genocide against the Kosovars. Yes, the Kosovars responded with Genocide as well, but it was not too the scale of Serbia's atrocity.

Serbia is a joke. No control in the country, so little control in fact they can't even prevent a province from breaking away. That act in itself shows how weak and pathteic Serbia is. Russia do us a favour, stop the sabre rattling, doesn't work on us.
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I honestly think the whole thing will result in a diplomatic stalemate, with the West (in general) supporting Kosovos indipendence and the East condeming it- however, I cant see any real miltiary conflict resulting from this, just another partially recognised state has been born. putting a load of Marines in Kosovo may however be a step in the wrong direction, as Kosovo had said that it is commited to peace and upholding human rights.

If it aint broke dont fix it, even if it may not be perfect.
Kosovo will need protecting. Marines are perfect, it has a Rapid Reaction Force that can get anywhere in the world in 72 hours with troops coming every hour after that.

Putin needs to save Russia face on this one. If Putin pulls the Gas and Oil contracts to W.Europe into question then he'll have made a terrible mistake.....
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So do we(NATO etc) fight for Kosovo if need be?
I missed the "or else" portion of your post. What exactly is Russia going to do about it besides talk?


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I think its the very beginnings of a Cold War like situation...
Not even close.

No, Russia is not going to stick it's neck out for Kosovo if push comes to shove. They arent going to commit suicide (real or economic) just so that Serbia can continue to oppress Kosovo.

They are pragmatists. And thats the weakness of pragmatism you see...you have no balls.



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Yes, Russia backes the Serbians and we will do that again and again.
You forgot to put "backs" in quotes.

Russia can "back" them all they want. But ultimately it will mean nothing, because Russia will never confront us over Kosovo.



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You want to put us in our place.
Russia is already in it's place IMO.

The reality is that we are both economically and militarily more powerful than Russian. Even if it was JUST the US that supported Kosovo independence, Russia could do nothing to stop us. But it's not just us...it is NATO as well.

Sorry Russia. Looks like you will have to find a way to live with it. If it makes you feel better, you could make empty threats the same way the PRC does about Taiwan.



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Do you want to fight Global Thermonuclear War over it?
Wont happen.

That threat might mean something from a non-democracy. I could believe that a dictator would use nukes over something as trivial as Kosovo. But a democracy? Not a chance. They stand to gain nothing and lose everything. Russians are (sadly) not idealists. So they will cave.
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It seems you Russians forget when the Serbians commited large scale Genocide against the Kosovars. Yes, the Kosovars responded with Genocide as well, but it was not too the scale of Serbia's atrocity.
No, we did not forget. Further, we wanna spit upon those Kosovars.
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Serbia is a joke.That act in itself shows how weak and pathteic Serbia is.
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So what is Russia going to do about it? Pout? Make empty threats? Should we be quaking in fear at the latest Russian "resolution" condemning Kosovo?
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I think our Russian friends think we will cower at their threats.....

This is not the case, let us be clear. Why do the Russians so vehemently defend the Serbians? The Genocidal maniacs who show no remorse for the suffering they caused upon the Kosovar's.
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Last time we left the Europeans to sort their problems out, they got into 2 world wars. Kosovo has a right to be free from the people who ethnically cleansed and oppressed them for too long.

Put 20000 Marines in Kosovo, at the discretion of the Kosovan Government. That should make America's position quite clear

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Russia will do nothing if we this. We need to make it crystal clear that we call the shots.

I am interested in China's opinions on the matter........
Just a small question: Where do you propose we clone these 20,000 marines?

Last time I checked the Army and Marines were tied up with two fights already. We don't have the troops to spare for another hurricane here at home, let along another foreign war.
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I say we should take russia out, while it's still a small crap hole..

Can you read a map ? Russia is not "small crap hole". It is a large " crap hole" and becoming a dangerous crap hole becasue of energy money. How are you going to "take Russia out" ? Are you going to use the CAP Civil Aikr Patrol and Girl Scouts since the Bushnyks have our military with the reserves and national guard tied up in Bagdagistan!
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