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Old 02-20-2008, 12:38 AM
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IMHO - your typical mistake as newbie here : you're trying to explain to average American folks something. The only language they could understand is a language of force. Good guys VS Bad guys. Like in their primitive cowboy- related movies. For instance, you said something like "we, Russians, used to face Hitler". Hell, most of them never knew who was that Hitler. They played baseball during lessons of World History. Many of them still believe that America was fighting against Soviet-Japanese alliance and solely won World War II. They seriously insist that America should police the World(!!!). They seriously believe that they are elite and chosen. Hey, pay attention - they re-elected the World's Top Moron !!! And they still support him!!! Need I say something more???
Your generalization of Americans is an unremitting plague. The view of Americans, with your exposition of thoughts, is a one way process with the information being sent compromising the general integrity of most rational thinking Americans. I, as did others, tried to understand TutliQ but broken English and word clarity proved inadequate.
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Your generalization of Americans is an unremitting plague. The view of Americans, with your exposition of thoughts, is a one way process with the information being sent compromising the general integrity of most rational thinking Americans. I, as did others, tried to understand TutliQ but broken English and word clarity proved inadequate.
Just look around yourself, Commonsense!!! Really, a few rational thinking, educated Americans per thousands of plain rednecks and average hillbillies!
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Taiwan supports this, well big surprise there.
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China will inevitably align itself with the Russians and Serbians. They do not want to see Kosovo succeed because it could very well see Taiwan do the same.
Honestly, it isn't the same situation. China claims sovereignty over Taiwan. So if they broke away, the PRC would have a very personal stake in it.

That is not true with Russia and Kosovo. While Russia is greatly annoyed at what they perceive as the erosion of their sphere of influence, they have no personal stake. They are not going to stick their necks out for Serbia.



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The US will have to prove that it can still rally it's allies and (hopefully) get most of the world's economy on it's side.
We will not require allies. Serbia has no real backing from a superpower. Not even Russia.


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China, well yes it could dump all the $'s but, would that really be wise? We buy so much stuff off them.
Bingo. China is more worried about it's economic ascendence than about Serbia's sovereignty.



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The Chinese are rising yes, their surplus is huge yes, but when a child grows, it may grow 10% for a few years, but does it keep growing that way?
I've been making that argument on here for years. America had similar growth rates in it's early stages. They will not be able to maintain that rate when their economy is mature like our's.



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The only language they could understand is a language of force.
It is the language we are most fluent in. (Greed is a close second though)



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Good guys VS Bad guys.
We are idealists. Which means that conventional threats will not work on us.



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They seriously believe that they are elite and chosen.
We never said we were "chosen".


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Commonsense, thank you for clarification, I agree. But, some folks who grew up on stupid propagandistic slogans will never understand the difference between AK and M-16. All they know is "US-made is a best for all times"!
I'm not one of them. The Soviets had technology comparable to our own in many areas. They were the closest thing we have ever had to an equal.

Russia is not the Soviet Union though.


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Just look around yourself, Commonsense!!! Really, a few rational thinking, educated Americans per thousands of plain rednecks and average hillbillies!
And apparently thats all we need to become the greatest economic and military power in Human history.

Must be very humbling for you to realize that we achieved that literally with one hand tied behind our back heh heh....you've been eclipsed by a nation of rednecks and hillbillies. How does it feel?
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I watched Discovery channel,american army says old Ak-47 is better M-16,its more easy and better in nature.
So at first first recognised independence of Kosovo Afghanistan,because all muslims and Kosovo economy is drug trade ship 80% all drug comes from Afghanistan,USA-NATO have world biggest milletery base in Kosovo,thats why they want see Kosovo their and not serbian.
Here near me is republic of south Osetia and Abkhazia which independent about 17 years,they declored independence from Georgia after soviet collapse,but georgian troops invaded them,in South Osetia they fired villages and killed a lot of osetians,because they were been osetians,it was genocide,South Osetia de jure Russian,because in soviet time no one noted in constition that Russia gives Osetia to Georgia,they have so many facts to be independent but USA-WEST world dont recognise them,because they are ally of Russia and South Osetia wanna be a part of Russian Osetia...ITS JUST DIRTY POLITIC.Miloshevic was stupid when he lost last chanses to have Kosovo as Georgia,but Serbia anti-USA,Georgia pro-USA(ruled by the USA)......now you know why Russia deslike Kosovo,because one can be independent and others cant,Russia control Chechnya and others inside of country and Putin did not kill chechens as Tachi serbs...Russia by this anti-Kosovo politic got serbian gas pipelines and got more level of authoritet...
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What do you think your country that will seriously make us consider not backing Kosovo? Russia does not have any cards to play on this that won't seriously damage it's relations with the West, your second largest energy and trading consumers.
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What do you think your country that will seriously make us consider not backing Kosovo?
Our country has nothing to do with your own choice. If your Administration likes those dirty kosovar moslems, involved in drug trafficking and tied to Al-Qaeda, that's your problem.
Just never call us to feel sorrow together with you when some brainless radical moslems will accomplish next terroristic action against the USA.

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Russia does not have any cards to play on this that won't seriously damage it's relations with the West, your second largest energy and trading consumers.
We can solve any problems with our oil/gas customers in EU without wise advisors from Washington, DC.
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Our country has nothing to do with your own choice. If your Administration likes those dirty kosovar moslems, involved in drug trafficking and tied to Al-Qaeda, that's your problem.
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Just never call us to feel sorrow together with you when some brainless radical moslems will accomplish next terroristic action against the USA.
I can practically guarantee that we wont. When was the last time we asked you to feel sorry for us? We didn't even do that with 911.
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Our country has nothing to do with your own choice. If your Administration likes those dirty kosovar moslems, involved in drug trafficking and tied to Al-Qaeda, that's your problem.
Just never call us to feel sorrow together with you when some brainless radical moslems will accomplish next terroristic action against the USA.

We can solve any problems with our oil/gas customers in EU without wise advisors from Washington, DC.
Um, the EU 'Big Three' that is Germany, Britain and France have all clearly stated they support Kosovo, which puts them at odds with the Russians. Solve problems ay? All I can say to you Grond, is that Putin is a fool if he brings Oil & Gas into this. Any arm-wrangling with the EU will only lead to the dropping of Russian contracts and the Europeans taking their business elsewhere.

Not a smart move........
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When was the last time we asked you to feel sorry for us? We didn't even do that with 911.
You did that with 9/11. You even tried to jam tear of TV viewers around the Globe when the tattered stars and stripes from the ruins of the World Trade Center was displayed at the winter Olympic games.
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All I can say to you Grond, is that Putin is a fool if he brings Oil & Gas into this. Any arm-wrangling with the EU will only lead to the dropping of Russian contracts and the Europeans taking their business elsewhere.
Not a smart move........
Then what would you define as a smart move? Perhaps, praising of kosovar independence from GWB while American servicemen are fighting the very same moslem trash in the Middle East? Really, by comparison to Putin your Commander Guy is a Bastion of Wisdom!
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