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Old 02-28-2008, 07:51 AM
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You managed to shoot down one plane that was built with 1970s technology. Good luck with the B1, F-22, and JSF fleets. Maybe some day you too will catch up to what we had in the 1970s.




Based on the MiG-29M OTV, MiG-35 (Nato reporting name Fulcrum F), is equipped with advanced avionic suite comprising of a modern glass cockpit designed with three 6x8 inch flat-panel LCDs and full HOTAS controls, digital map, helmet-mounted sight. The latest Zhuk-AE active electronically scanning array (AESA) radar is mounted on this aircraft. This radar was developed with modular approach, enabling upgrading existing Zhuk ME/MSE radars, into the phased array equipped MFE/MSFE standard, deployed in MiG-29/Su-27 platforms.

*yawn* Ho hum. Too easy. When you Americans have faced off against one of these, then come back and talk to me, otherwise, shut the hell up.
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*yawn* Ho hum. Too easy. When you Americans have faced off against one of these, then come back and talk to me, otherwise, shut the hell up.
So you are saying you have no evidence that the Soviets have technology that can defeat stealth.

I figured as much. How many of those fighters are in production?
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Comparable aircraft

* Sukhoi Su-37
* Mitsubishi F-2
* F-16 Fighting Falcon
* F/A-18E/F Super Hornet
* Dassault Rafale


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-35
I dont see the F-22 or JSF on that list. Do you? I didnt see any mention that it had any passive stealth capability.

Congratulations...the Soviets have managed to catch up to our 1980s era fighters. We're all impressed.

I do agree it is cool looking though.
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I think the one you meant was the Mig39, not the Mig35.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44

The Mig 39 fits the description above, and is (supposedly) comperable to the F-22. As far as I know they are not in production and not scheduled to enter production any time soon.
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I dont see the F-22 or JSF on that list. Do you? I didnt see any mention that it had any passive stealth capability.

Congratulations...the Soviets have managed to catch up to our 1980s era fighters. We're all impressed.

I do agree it is cool looking though.

You were saying...?
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I think the one you meant was the Mig39, not the Mig35.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44

The Mig 39 fits the description above, and is (supposedly) comperable to the F-22. As far as I know they are not in production and not scheduled to enter production any time soon.
Nope, I meant the MiG-35.
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Um...what is the video supposed to prove? Thats a prototype, not a production model.


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Nope, I meant the MiG-35.
According to wikipedia, the Mig 35 is comperable to the F-16. Not the F-22.
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The planes are only 10% of the equation. A skilled pilot is about 90%.
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Remember there is the EF2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon


comparable to the F-22

NATO has 600+ based in Western Europe

Russia still flies the Tu-95 and E2000 + Tornado fighters now interecpt them daily - now that Russia can once again afford the aviation fuel costs - they play their cold war games again.

Thank goodness that we kept investing in new technologies after the Soviet collapse - It has meant we are now 10 to 20 years ahead in technological terms

Russia will attempt to steal the technologies using spies.


These are just one reason why Russia will just grumble about Kosovo and nothing more - we must stay ahead though
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The planes are only 10% of the equation. A skilled pilot is about 90%.
Actually I think that's dipping. Again we haven't really put these latest jets through their paces in real combat. But the ability of missiles to connect head one means it might be more like 10% plane 20% pilot 35% electronic/avionics/stealth 35% missile capability
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