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to do with the upcoming independence of Scotland? Me wonders
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Oh, am I? So, Kosovo independence is acceptable and the upcoming independence of Scotland and Northern Ireland are not? I can smell some double standards here
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Oh, am I? So, Kosovo independence is acceptable and the upcoming independence of Scotland and Northern Ireland are not? I can smell some double standards here

The only thing you smell (other than your finger) is the smell of majority rule -

Ulster + Scotland unlike all the the Easter European Countries like (Cz Pl DDR etc etc ...) are already free and wish to remain in the Uniion (I'v told you this already)

Russia has ex-partners that whish to leave them - due to their brutal unsophisticated ways.
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The demonstrations in Belgrade that day were peaceful, even though more than half a million people were in the streets.

But the true question is: why did Serbian police take so long to respond? Almost 40 minutes after gathering of some 100 hooligans in front of US Embassy...! Too much time, by all means...

I start to believe that this one was ON PURPOSE! And someone gave the green light for that. Someone from outside... Who? Yet to be discovered....
The Serbian government did that on purpose to "get back" at US.
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Serbia Withdrew Police, Intelligence Chief Says

By Walter Pincus
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Thursday, February 28, 2008; Page A14

The Serbian government decided to pull back its police in Belgrade last Thursday so that demonstrators could attack the U.S. and British embassies, Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell told a Senate committee yesterday.

"We have good information that when the U.S. embassy and the British embassy and others were attacked, a decision was taken by the government of Serbia actually to pull the police back and allow them to be attacked, burn the embassy and conduct the violence they conducted," McConnell told the Senate Armed Services Committee in answer to a question during his testimony on worldwide threats.

But after his testimony, a spokesman for McConnell, Ross Feinstein, played down the statement. "There was no final conclusion or determination on this," he said. Feinstein later called to say McConnell's statement was "based on what we knew from eyewitness accounts" reported in a Belgrade newspaper, Danas. But, Feinstein added, "I'm not going to say it was the only thing" the director drew on in making the remark.

Although witnesses had reported that Serbian police had appeared to withdraw when demonstrators approached the embassies, this was the first time a U.S. official said the Serbian government deliberately permitted the violence to proceed.

The assault on the U.S. embassy came after a rally in Belgrade by Serbs incensed by the U.S. recognition of Kosovo's independence. Hundreds of protesters overran and burned part of the embassy.

On the day of the attack, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters that the department had spoken to the Serbian government about its obligation to protect the embassy. "They have been, up until this point, very good in providing police assets to ensure that the embassy facility was protected," adding that "we are in contact with them, to make sure that they devote the assets to deal with this situation."

One day after the attack, White House spokesman Scott Stanzel attributed the attacks to "hooligans and thugs." He added, "We don't believe that this is the face that Serbia wants to present to the world."

Attempts to reach Serbian government officials in Washington and New York late yesterday were unsuccessful.

McConnell, however, described yesterday a disagreement between Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica and Serbian President Boris Tadic. Kostunica, he said, "is more closely aligned with Russia" and "is determined to roll [the independence of Kosovo] back if at all possible. Without elaborating, McConnell said that "some level of violence is probably going to ensue." At the rally that preceded the embassy attack, Kostunica told the crowd: "As long as we live, Kosovo is Serbia."

Tadic "is convinced that integration with the European Union . . . is a better course of action," McConnell said. Last week, Tadic condemned the violence and told reporters it must "never happen again."

Discussing another troubled area, McConnell provided a downbeat report on Afghanistan, disclosing that an intelligence study had determined that the Kabul-based government of President Hamid Karzai controls about 31 percent of the country's population. He said the Taliban controls about 11 percent and that the rest is under local tribal control.

McConnell said violence had gone up because U.S. and NATO forces have taken aggressive actions and that many Taliban leaders had been killed or captured. But those actions provoked an increase in the use of suicide bombers and roadside explosive devices.

Overall, however, the growing insurgency in Afghanistan has "been sustained in the south. It's grown a bit in the east, and what we've seen are elements of it spread to the west and the north," McConnell said. The key to the increase has been the "de facto safe haven in Pakistan [that] gives them the ability to train and recruit, rest and recuperate, and then come back into Afghanistan."

On North Korea, McConnell said intelligence analysts believe that Pyongyang has enough plutonium for "at least six nuclear weapons." But he added that analysts are less certain that North Korea has begun to produce highly enriched uranium, a probability now considered medium instead of high.

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Old 02-27-2008, 10:03 PM
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McConnell, however, described yesterday a disagreement between Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica and Serbian President Boris Tadic. Kostunica, he said, "is more closely aligned with Russia" and "is determined to roll [the independence of Kosovo] back if at all possible. Without elaborating, McConnell said that "some level of violence is probably going to ensue." At the rally that preceded the embassy attack, Kostunica told the crowd: "As long as we live, Kosovo is Serbia."
Yes, Kostunica is the prime minister and I disagree with his actions on nearly every issue. He is old school, a very slow man in reactions and a nationalist. What else could you expect from a guy like that?

On the other hand, I fully agree with president Tadic (who si much more popular in Serbia) and his views and ways.

So, if the police were taken from the scene thanks to Kostunica's order, I can only say one thing: he is a dumb retard to do that, and I wish his quick removal from power (and that is about to happen very soon, this is the election year).

But there is even a bigger threat - Tomislav Nikolic and his Radical party. The West ensured their popularity in Serbia by taking the course of actions which no man in Serbia expected could happen after the removal of Slobodan Milosevic. Looks like the West found a great method for Serbs - the more you humiliate and oppress them, the more reaction you get. And strong Serbian reactions is the thing that The West wants on order to gain legitimacy for interfering with internal affairs of a sovereign country and to achieve the interests in the region (In this case Kostunica only helped the West, I think you see my point).
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FYI, routine ''escorting" by RAF pilots is not "intercepting". And you never sent them back. Do not overboast your capabilities. Every crew of every strategic bomber has a certain plan of flight. That's all.
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FYI, routine ''escorting" by RAF pilots is not "intercepting". And you never sent them back. Do not overboast your capabilities. Every crew of every strategic bomber has a certain plan of flight. That's all.
Let them believe what they want. It makes them feel big, and strong. They are too stupid to realise it was a rarity indeed when American planes went anywhere near Soviet airspace. The Soviets do not 'intercept', they 'shoot down'. Big difference.

These are the same idiotic Americans who believe the story behind that Cessna which overflew Moscow, unmolested. The Americans believe the plane eluded Soviet radar systems, when it did not. The Soviets were aware of it from the moment it was within Moscow's airspace. The Americans are too stupid to remember this happened right after that KAL incident. The Soviets did not wish to cause another international incident by shooting down a mere civilian plane in Moscow airspace.

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Let them believe what they want. It makes them feel big, and strong.
Indeed. I'd wish you to see some photos of sleeping faces of our American friends made in '90ies when our planes flew over Kitty Hawk carrier in Sea of Japan! Those photos, placed in Russian newspapers, were enough funny!

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The Americans are too stupid to remember this happened right after that KAL incident.
There are enough evidences that KAL 007 was a spy mission performed with help of dirty CIA instructors. Since its take off, that plane took a cource about 5 degrees aside of usual flightpath. All talks concerning to "navigation mistake" made by '747 crew are merely laughable.

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If so, we seem to be getting it.

But either way, I think it is too late now anyway. So you might as well be as violent as you want. There's no way Serbia will regain Kosovo now.
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