What will happen? Let's just say Cameron Munter is not someone you want to anger.

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[quote=ABoyNamedSue;438252]Yeah, but what's Serbia gonna do, to assist with this???

"Are we really going to let the Serb government get away with allowing this? Is that the kind of limp-wristed impression we're going to give the world? Beat us up, and we won't protect ourselves...we'll just cry and run home to mama. What a bunch of namby-pambies.

This is crap. We should have paratrooped a platoon of heavily-armed marines into our embassy, to assure its safety. It's pretty obvious that's the only safety we'd get anyway."

Oh good god. Why not storm Belgrade Parliament building while you're at it? No, you won't let anyone get away with anything of course. The only government that's allowed to get away with anything is US government. For the rest of us, it's a big no no. Anyone else try and protect their interest, territory or citizens, you stop and figure out first which side suits American purposes best, decide who "terrorists" and "freedom fighters" are going to be, and then proceed according to the well-thumbed script.
But the moment someone points an accusing finger at you, or indeed sets fire to an empty building in a futile and completely empty gesture of protest, you cry blue murder.
So please, PLEASE, don't help us anymore! Don't go stomping round the world in your heavy boots, bringing freedom and democracy for all at gun point. Also kindly ask yourselves why is it that US is being criticised and disrespected as you say by foreign nations? Anything to do with your heavy-handed ways, your arrogance, belief in brute force and utter disrespect for any other point of view but your own? And when I say all this, I'd like to stress that it's not American people I'm talking about, it's mainly American government and its policies. I'm well aware that many Americans do not agree with it, at least those who ever set their mental foot outside of "greatest nation in the world" bubble don't. Please remember that there are many things Americans should be proud of, many reasons why i personally think that US is a great nation, but having the biggest guns, upper hand in world politics and economy is not one of them.

Hey welcome Tanja. Did we just get another Serb?

At any rate I think Sue is in the monority on that angle. While the US would normally be fairly upset about an embassy attack considering the circumstances we'll just take the good press and let it be.

Yes you did get another Serb I'm afraid One not normally given to rants of this nature, but there we have it (that time of the month you see) I've been political correspondent/annalyst for the past 10 years, some of it is bound to rub off

I know that they were unable to prevent the US Embassy from being burned.

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they were not part of a sinister anti-American conspiracy, but merely incompetent. Isn't that nice of me?


Among other things. Although I don't think we screwed them over. We didn't do anything to injure them deliberately. Recognizing Kosovo was an act intended to help what we perceive as an oppressed people. It was not an act meant to punish the Serbs.



Oh boy. Cant wait for that to start.


The Taliban never had any intention of establishing a democracy.



Um...in your own quote it says "We, the leaders of our people, democratically elected,".

Why did you ignore the "democratically elected" part?



You say that as if it is a bad thing. It isn't like this is the first time we have ignored "international law". I would like to see it become a trend.

Regardless of whatever military interests we might have, we are doing the right thing by supporting freedom for these people.


uh huh.



I think that is more likely. Like I said, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are simply incompetent. But it is always possible that they sympathized with the rioters and allowed them to burn down the embassy.


hmmmm....


If you're a non-democracy, then yeah, pretty much.


Non-democracies do not have the right to protect their interests or territory, and we dont really recognize their authority over their citizens either.



Technically speaking, we're not.


Or what?


Because other nations either hate us for what we represent (democracy) or because they envy us.

Its lonely at the top, heh heh


...which would never be in place right now if a majority of Americans didn't support it.

You people are extremely naive if you believe most Americans don't support what our government is doing. They (the American People) have the power to stop it, but refuse to do so. Would that be the case if they really opposed it?

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A big hello for my fellow Serb! By the way, your English is great!

Bringing freedom at gun point... now THERE's a new one. I'm not sure how anyone can be forced to be free. Are you suggesting the Kosovars prefer Serbian oppression, and it's those brutish Americans who are forcing freedom on them?

Brute force does seem to get one's attention yes? Tell us how we're using brute force in recognizing another Democracy again. Who stormed who's embassy and lit it afire?

Having the biggest guns, upper hand in world politics and economy is some of the things I am indeed proud of, but they aren't the only ones. I'm proud of the fact that we back democracies who set up citizen-elected governments and dare to stand up to those who have oppressed them. We back democratic style governments who propose freedom instead of forced dependence on a socialist state at the point of a gun.

I like the fact that democracy style governments in Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Kosovo exist now where others said Islamist peoples didn't want them. I rather enjoy watching people usher in freedom for themselves and enjoy much of what we in America take for granted. I think we need more of it. I hope to see more of it.

Save your condescending scorn for someone who actually cares.

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American way of lifting up oppression just brought up a new wave of oppression to the Serb minority in Kosovo. In other words, you only made things worse in order to establish yourselves within the Balkans. That is the American way.

A little bit of fire set up by a few hooligans is nothing in comparison to 3000 victims of NATO bombing and bunch of debris you left behind... Oh yes, that was brute force in action.

Then you should be backing up Serbia! We do set up citizen-elected governments and we do dare to stand up to those who oppress us - USA in the first place!

Which will be a separate issue we can deal with in the future.

But to say we should allow the Kosovoans to be oppressed simply because the Serbian minority MIGHT be oppressed in the future is absurd.

SenaxFlatulus brought up some good points. I wish I had thought of them first.



Brute force used by NATO...not just the US. So why is the US the only target of your criticism?


Good for you. I hope the Serbian democracy thrives as well. I say that with no sarcasm at all. I have nothing against the Serbian People.

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Don't worry about it. You didn't come to a fluffy mild forum full of mainstream mellow people. Trust me, if you can't find someone here that pisses you off than the dosage on your antidepressant medication is to high or something.