Yes very honest of you to admit you couldn't care less about UN, and quite right in all you said about it. But last time I checked, even some of your "democratic" friends in NATO were against your actions. And yet again, let's say you have NATO as nucleus for new UN. We are talking 26 most developped countries in the world yes? And they are to decide about the fate of the rest of the world are they? Doesn't sound awfully democratic to me.



Again, who died and left you in charge of who's democratically elected to rule, which country is sovereign and which not?
But petty squabble aside. I've personally met enough of officials and politicians, and I do international politics for living. You'd be surprised what they are prepared to say off the record If you honestly believe for a moment that your foreign policy has anything to do with democratic and humanitarian philantrophy, or indeed with anything else but pragmatism as someone just said, you are simply mistaken and misinformed at the very least.

Don't let them wear you down! They have been training and waiting for years to enslave the World and it has fallen to us the American led alliance of free Democracies to make sure that doesn't happen!

Never give in, never never and we shall prevail - Decocracy shall prevail.

"What kind of a people do they think we are? Is it possible they do not realise that we shall never cease to persevere against them until they have been taught a lesson which they and the world will never forget?"

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If you want to make an omelette, you gotta break a few eggs.

They'll come around eventually. They all recognize the new Democratic Iraqi government now, right?


As if allowing non-democracies to do the same thing is somehow more fair? heh heh

All of the alternatives would be worse IMO. Allowing despots to rule people against their will is worse than "imposing" democracy on people. Its a matter of priorities. Which option offends us the least?



You gotta start somewhere. Status quo is insufficient.



Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.



Their words and personal beliefs are irrelevant to me so long as they do what I want them to do. So far, they are more or less doing that.

I don't really care what their personal rationalizations are. The basic reality is that they serve at our pleasure. If they piѕs off the American masses, eventually they will be gone. So they wont do anything they know will draw attention to themselves in a negative way.

Greed can be a good thing, because in a free democratic (and especially capitalistic) framework it keeps people honest. They have an incentive not to screw over their constituents.

btw - How do you know they aren't lying to you too? heh heh


Um...no.

But we'll let you know if we change our mind.

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And a fine omelette it is too, I've been there several times to see it. BTW one of the sweetest euphemisms I've heard yet for cracking people's heads open with cluster bombs.


It is hardly the question of offence. Politicians do not get "offended", they're there to carry out government policy, and yours remained unchanged for almost a century. Occupation of Iraq was strategically important for US policy, and that's all there is to it. And you actually thrive on despots, believe me


Again, nothing to do with personal beliefs, everything to do with foreign policy. And there is no such thing as "masses", American or otherwise. "Masses" do not have a single oppinion, we are talking at best about groups of people, smaller or larger, with simillar interests, beliefs, credes or values. So what's good for you is not for your next door neighbour, and while you're happy with what your government is doing, he is not. You can say your group is in majority at the moment, but that's all, leave masses out of it

The only thing that can "(*)(*)(*)(*) masses off" as you said, or create critical mass as I would say, enough to cry out for a policy change, is drastic decline in your standard of living, and that's not likely to happen is it.

..in a deluded world, mate!

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Ha ha ha - clearly sarcasm hasn't reached Canuck's home town yet.

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Actually, it is one of the worst, and should be destroyed.

"The struggle between the two worlds [Fascism and Democracy] can permit no compromises. It's either Us or Them!"
Benito Mussolini
Address, from Palazzo Venezia balcony
October 27, 1930

"Democracy, the deceitful theory that the Jew would insinuate - namely, that theory that all men are created equal."
Adolf Hitler
"Mein Kampf"

Thanks. It means a lot to me.


It is from our perspective.


The politicians don't elect themselves. They act as our proxy.


I agree. Our primary motive for Iraq was Defense, not morality.


Then why didn't we just kiss Saddam's ass and buy him off? We did it before.



They are tools. They ultimately don't get to decide our policy. We decide it when we elect them (or when they are appointed by someone we elect).

Take a look at the Presidential debates right now for an example. Do we want an aggressive foreign policy? If so, McCain will win. Do we want moderate (Status Quo) foreign policy? If so, Hillary will win. Do we want a passive foreign policy? If so, Obama will win.


The masses are the average. Whatever the average is. For example, you can say Americans oppose murder, because the vast majority believe murder is wrong. There are certainly some who don't, but they are not the average.


If we represent the majority, we get to speak for America. Thats how democracy works.


So why is it only increasing? Why are the number of democracies in the world increasing instead of declining?

Democracy is superior to every other form of government we have encountered so far.

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