U.S. Ambassador to Serbia Angered - Page 8

Fascist Canuck · #71 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

Thanks. It means a lot to me.

It is from our perspective.

The politicians don't elect themselves. They act as our proxy.

I agree. Our primary motive for Iraq was Defense, not morality.

Then why didn't we just kiss Saddam's ass and buy him off? We did it before.

They are tools. They ultimately don't get to decide our policy. We decide it when we elect them (or when they are appointed by someone we elect).

Take a look at the Presidential debates right now for an example. Do we want an aggressive foreign policy? If so, McCain will win. Do we want moderate (Status Quo) foreign policy? If so, Hillary will win. Do we want a passive foreign policy? If so, Obama will win.

The masses are the average. Whatever the average is. For example, you can say Americans oppose murder, because the vast majority believe murder is wrong. There are certainly some who don't, but they are not the average.

If we represent the majority, we get to speak for America. Thats how democracy works.

So why is it only increasing? Why are the number of democracies in the world increasing instead of declining?

Democracy is superior to every other form of government we have encountered so far.

Yet, the most-efficient government the world has ever seen were the Nazis. You do realise that democracy is ridiculous in that, where we fascists believe in totalitarian rule by one leader, you believe the same, with the leader in this case, rather than being the individual, but the larger portion of your population? The majority imposes its will upon the minority, therefore, contrary to claims describing democracy, everyone is not equal. At least we fascists know everyone is not equal, although we use many mechanisms, including the use of force, to at least keep things close.

Sadistic-Savior · #72 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 08:23 AM

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Yet, the most-efficient government the world has ever seen were the Nazis.

And where are they now? Their system was clearly inferior to our's. They had the initiative, they were entrenched, and we still brought them to their knees. We didn't even need nuclear weapons to do it, and we were fighting Japan at the same time. Pathetic.

So much for efficiency eh? heh heh

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You do realise that democracy is ridiculous in that, where we fascists believe in totalitarian rule by one leader, you believe the same

If grandma had balls, she'd be grandpa.

Failure is it's own demonstration. Your ideology has failed to resist mine.

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The majority imposes its will upon the minority, therefore, contrary to claims describing democracy, everyone is not equal.

Everyone is politically equal.

Whatever it's drawbacks, it strengths appear to more than make up for them. Fascism failed to stop the Democracy juggernaut.

stekim · #73 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 08:29 AM

Tyranny by the masses is still tyranny.

Sadistic-Savior · #74 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 08:41 AM

Who gets to decide what tyranny is?

If the government forces me to pay taxes because the majority wants me to pay taxes, am I the victim of tyranny?

stekim · #75 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 08:55 AM

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If the government forces me to pay taxes because the majority wants me to pay taxes, am I the victim of tyranny?

You tell me. Are you?

Sadistic-Savior · #76 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 09:03 AM

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Me: If the government forces me to pay taxes because the majority wants me to pay taxes, am I the victim of tyranny?

You tell me.

So in other words, you cant define tyranny.

Anything is tyranny so long as I define it as tyranny?

Tanja · #77 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

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I agree. Our primary motive for Iraq was Defense, not morality.

So despite all your previous zeal, and self-proclaimed wish to bring the light of freedom to the oppressed, you went there for defence, making an unholly mess of it, and civil war in the process I might add. Defence of what? War on terror? Surely not that old chestnut again. Mythical American interests? You defended those all over the world, from Vietnam to Kosovo, with well known track record. Is there any place left in this world were American interest are NOT? Russia? India and China perhaps? Nah, they have big guns as well, best leave those alone

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

. So why is it only increasing? Why are the number of democracies in the world increasing instead of declining?

I'm afraid that the only thing increasing in the world is number of banana-republics, under Pax Americana, impoverished and sucked dry by IMF.

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. Democracy is superior to every other form of government we have encountered so far.

That it is, sonny boy, and too bad democracy has been made into an empty word in the mouth of self-appointed world policeman lately.

Sadistic-Savior · #78 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 09:47 AM

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So despite all your previous zeal, and self-proclaimed wish to bring the light of freedom to the oppressed, you went there for defence, making an unholly mess of it, and civil war in the process I might add.

In that instance, our primary motive was defense. Defense will always supersede humanitarian motives. I never denied that.

I dont agree we made an unholy mess of it...what we have now is still preferrable to having Saddam in power. That is a net gain.

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Defence of what?

Ourselves. We believed Saddam was likely to cooperate with our enemies and give them dangerous weapons or technology.

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Is there any place left in this world were American interest are NOT?

Lets find out.

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Russia? India and China perhaps?

Not directly. Our interest in Russia has already been satisfied...they are a democracy now, and no longer a real threat to us. Our interest in China is mostly economic, except when we have to put them in their place on the Taiwan issue. (Its all so tedious...they know they will end up backing down anyway, so why do they bother getting uppity at all?). India is a democracy and a defacto ally.

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I'm afraid that the only thing increasing in the world is number of banana-republics, under Pax Americana, impoverished and sucked dry by IMF.

Rationalize it in whatever way makes you feel better. So long as they are electing their own leaders, they count as a democracy as far as I am concerned.

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That it is, sonny boy, and too bad democracy has been made into an empty word in the mouth of self-appointed world policeman lately.

I dont agree that it is empty. I hold the masses responsible for their own decisions. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they are not sheep programmed by America.

lunecat · #79 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fascist Canuck

Actually, it is one of the worst, and should be destroyed.

"The struggle between the two worlds [Fascism and Democracy] can permit no compromises. It's either Us or Them!"
Benito Mussolini
Address, from Palazzo Venezia balcony
October 27, 1930

"Democracy, the deceitful theory that the Jew would insinuate - namely, that theory that all men are created equal."
Adolf Hitler
"Mein Kampf"

Ha ha ha Hitler and his cowardly friend Mussolini what a pair!!!! -

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oh for sure those two and their ideology was a great success
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"It has been said that Democracy is the worst form of Government except all the others that have been tried"

AmusedToDeath · #80 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 10:07 AM

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Their system was clearly inferior to our's.

No, it wasn't about inferiority of their system. It was all about losing the war.

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