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Old 02-27-2008, 10:10 AM
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"The struggle between the two worlds [Fascism and Democracy] can permit no compromises. It's either Us or Them!"

Benito Mussolini
Address, from Palazzo Venezia balcony
October 27, 1930
Wow....I actually agree with Mussolini on something.


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Hitler proved this to be true by way of his humiliating defeat at the hands of his betters.
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Me: Their system was clearly inferior to our's.

No, it wasn't about inferiority of their system. It was all about losing the war.
They would not have lost the war had their system not been inferior to our's. The only thing they were superior at was making excuses for their failures.
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Anything is tyranny so long as I define it as tyranny?
Doesn't matter for my point, does it? No matter how you define it, tyranny is tyranny regardless of who is commiting it. If you think paying taxes is tyranny it matters not one bit whether Hitler or the majority are making you. Same with being enslaved or anything else.
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Doesn't matter for my point, does it? No matter how you define it, tyranny is tyranny regardless of who is commiting it.
I agree with your point.
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Me: Anything is tyranny so long as I define it as tyranny?

Doesn't matter for my point, does it?
Then how can you ever have "tyranny of the majority"? From what you just said, there is no way to determine that. So how do you know it is even possible?


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No matter how you define it, tyranny is tyranny regardless of who is commiting it. If you think paying taxes is tyranny it matters not one bit whether Hitler or the majority are making you. Same with being enslaved or anything else.
So the word "tyranny" is meaningless in your context. Becuase it can mean anything.

I suppose it would have probably killed you to actually answer a question directly. So I cant blame you for preserving your own life.
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I agree with your point.
Hey, when I'm right I'm right. The fact the majority of people in 1652 thought slavery was just fine didn't make it so. Jim Crow laws were tyranny no matter how many people in Alabama thought they were just fine. But somehow a dictator doing it is bad, but the majority doing it is just fine. OK. Sure. Gotcha.

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I suppose it would have probably killed you to actually answer a question directly. So I cant blame you for preserving your own life.
I did answer it. If you consider it tyranny does it matter who's doing it to you? It doesn't to me. It didn't to the Jews. And it didn't to the blacks. And it won't to anyone else.
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Well, that's why democracy is considered to be the worse form of government, when all the rest are excluded.
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I have no problem with democracy at all. Especially when it's set up under a Constitutional arrangement where it's far harder for the majority to run amok. Pure democracy would suck ass.
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Ourselves. We believed Saddam was likely to cooperate with our enemies and give them dangerous weapons or technology.
Do define your enemies, US rethorics is a bit loose on the subject :d



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Lets find out.
Let's not. I've seen just about as much blood as I can take.



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Not directly. Our interest in Russia has already been satisfied...they are a democracy now, and no longer a real threat to us. Our interest in China is mostly economic, except when we have to put them in their place on the Taiwan issue. (Its all so tedious...they know they will end up backing down anyway, so why do they bother getting uppity at all?). India is a democracy and a defacto ally.
Your interest in anything is mostly economic, so let's not bandy words.



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Rationalize it in whatever way makes you feel better. So long as they are electing their own leaders, they count as a democracy as far as I am concerned.
Oh but we all elect our own leaders. Majority vote. If you don't like who we elect that's your own business. You can always say the elections were rigged, can't you


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I dont agree that it is empty. I hold the masses responsible for their own decisions. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they are not sheep programmed by America.
Why don't you then give "masses" the benefit of a doubt to choose their own government, and their own ideology, leave them to it and quit meddling? Maybe not everyone likes democracy your style, hm?
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Pure democracy cannot be applied today. It is a relict of the past, and could function only in Greek polis (city-states), consisting of a few thousand people.
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