That explains a lot!

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The land of Kosovo has been under direct Serbian participation (whether the old power gradient shifted between the Serbian kingdoms, the Byzantine empire, or from farther north in Bulgaria or Hungary is irrelevant). Unless we go back before pre-Roman times, which does not represent the situation with Slavic or Muslim/Ottoman peoples well - here would be your parallel with 'Native Americans'. In any case, the region broke with Constantinople following Serbia's precedent (not due to Serb discretion). For hundreds of years after this, to say the people of Kosovo were not Slavic Serbians is almost amusing - this is where I disagree with Malcolm. The displacement of Slavic ancestry by Muslim originated peoples occurred under Ottoman rule for hundreds of years. It was an oppressive government which wanted the region for military presence and natural resources (see any similarities with the US?); the Ottomans in the meantime converted many citizens to the Islamic faith. However strict or subject is still a topic of debate. Many Muslims with Slavic ancestry in the region now associate themselves with Albanians rather than Serbians because of the Ottoman push for Muslim social transfer and has worked rather well.

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Well he certainly was trying to make "Greater Serbia" though I'm not sure that's the same thing.

Regardless of spin it still seems (from any other source I've seen) that the Serbs are immigrants into the area and didn't show up in the Balkans until...well here lets find a Serb source and see what they say.

Yeah see the "Serbian Unity Congress" doesn't put the serbs in the area until the 6th century.
http://www.serbianunity.net/culture/...centuries.html

That sight doesn't mention when Kosovo was conquered but it lists the Nemanjić dynasty which is when other sources says the Serbs took it.

Regardless I'm not seeing where "cradle" claims could come from. I mean you've got some history there. But it seems like the situation is more similar to if the US claimed that Hawaii was the cradle of America. I mean big things happened there, there was big battle, we wouldn't want to lose it But it isn't the "cradle".

Kosovo wasn't conquered, they left the Byzantine empire with Serbia and needed protection because they were the same people, and power shifted from the foremost Serbian empire, to Bulgaria alternatively. Look at ancient maps, even of countries other than Serbia, Kosovo was Serbia, there was no differentiation.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/histo...mpire_1265.jpg

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So what does that mean to you, regarding history?

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Wait I gotta say. Kosovo wasn't conquered during the bulshevik revolution?

You know of Yustashia don't you?

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I stopped my history at the Ottomans, we've been over so much twentieth century Kosovo history in other threads.

Here is your original Kosovo, this is where the notion of its boundaries even come from, not Slavic, not Ottoman, but Illyria:
http://images.nationmaster.com/image...ar_500_479.jpg

There was no unification, no nation under the Illyrians, they were tribal peoples unified by a certain language. The first full unification of the region and westward with similar peoples was the Slavic kingdom of Serbia, which broke simultaneously (with the region now associated as Kosovo) from the Byzantine empire.

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Well there are a number of claims Serbs make about Kosovo. One of them being that it is the "cradle" of Serbia. But that seems silly since they were in the area for something like a half millenium.

Another things is that they lost a big battle there. Which. Ok, yeah. They lost a big battle there. So there should probably be some tourist destination there, maybe with reenactors, like some kind of morbid renaissance faire. But countries have lost a lot of battles over the ages and I don't know of another one that wants to conquer their neighbor to control a battlefield they lost at.

So where did white people come from?

I'm not being critical of you or your stances, I just think there is a piece of history being overlooked here that is evolutionary.

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And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

Serbia was the bulkhead of the Christian countries between Europe and the Middle East, they saw themselves as the defense of Europe then, and to a point now, against the influx of Islam. The Turks advanced into the southwestern part of the actual Serbian kingdom (not other lands the kingdom previously conquered). Serbia, Bosnia, and Morea were considered by some an empire, others considered them separate lands under the same feudal territory. The Ottomans were more concerned with Hungary's actions if they proceeded further in the Balkans, than attacking the kingdom of Serbia themselves; and after facing stiff resistance from Serbia they did not need a war with Hungary also (after all, they did have Anatolia and Mongols to contend with).

This battle was the saving grace of Europe to the Serbs. It would be like an 'empire' taking a small portion of the US and a certain state holding this 'empire' off. It would contribute to an enormous sense of nationalism for the people.

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