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A trial of three retired Croatian generals, accused of killing 150 Serbs in 1995, has opened in The Hague. Ante Gotovina, Ivan Cermak and Mladen Markac are charged with attempting to remove the Serb population from the Krajina region of Croatia by force, persecution and destruction of property.

Gotovina was indicted in 2001, but continued to move around using false identities. He was finally captured in Spain's Canary Islands in December of 2005.

All three of the accused have pleaded not guilty.

Gotovina, a 52-year-old former French Foreign Legionnaire, is the final suspect from Croatia on the UN war crimes tribunal's wanted list.
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(CNN) -- A former Croatian military commander went on trial Tuesday for war crimes stemming from a 1995 operation against Croatian Serbs.
General Ante Gotovina, 52, faces charges including murder, wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, inhumane acts and plunder. He has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

Investigators say he was one of the leaders of "Operation Storm," which aimed to retake the Krajina region of Croatia from the Serbs who lived there.

Attorneys made opening statements in the case Tuesday at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in the Hague.

"Although Operation Storm did not spell the end of the armed conflict between Serbs and Croats, it would mean the end for many Serbs of their lives on ancestral homelands," said Alan Tieger, counsel for the prosecution, in his opening statement.


* Croatian war suspect flown to Hague

By the time the three-month operation ended in November 1995, Tieger said, "almost the entire Serb population had been driven out and the Serb community was a scarred wasteland of destroyed villages and homes."

The Serbs who remained were largely elderly and infirm, and they were arrested, harassed, or even murdered, Tieger said.

Also on trial are Ivan Cermac, a former Croatian military commander, and Mladen Markac, commander of the Croatian Special Police.

All three were instrumental in the "appalling and systematic" crimes of Operation Storm, Tieger said.
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As I've noted before, it was everybody vs. everybody.

But only Serbia gets the bad image. The reason: not licking arse of Uncle Sam. Plain and simple.
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US Role in Storm

Thrilled with Operation Flash, President Clinton gave the go ahead for Operation Storm

The United States was actively involved in the preparation, monitoring and initiation of Operation Storm: the green light from President Clinton was passed on by the US military attache in Zagreb, and the operations were transmitted in real time to the Pentagon

Considering that the US was much more interested in the situation in BiH than in Croatia, they asked Croatia to permit them to install a military base with ummanned aircraft. The United States not only monitored the complete Operation Storm, but they also actively participated with the Croatian Military in its preparation, and in the enddirectly initiated the operation. The green light from the White House and then President Clinton for Operation Storm was passed on by Colonel Richard C. Herrick, then US military attaché in Zagreb. Several days prior to the commencement of Operation Storm, Herrick visited Markica Rebić in Zagreb. Rebić, Miroslav Tudjman, then director of HIS and Miro Medimurac, then head of SIS, held the most intensive communications with the American military and intelligence agencies. As such, in 1996, Rebić was awarded the Meritorius Service Medal by Peter Galbraith, then US Ambassador to Croatia.

Herrick passed on the message that the US had no opposition to the beginning of Operation Storm, that the operation had to be ‘clean and fast’ and had to be completed in 5 days time. As Nacional has learned, Rebić was surprised that such an important political and military message would be passed on through those channels, and following Herrick’s visit, he immediately informed the state administration of the message in writing, and there is certain record of this today in the archives. As such, it is important to note the Ambassador Peter Galbraith was completely left out of the chain of ‘command’, and that this message came directly from President Clinton, Anthony Lake (then National Security Advisor) and Willian Perry (then Defense Secretary) via Rebić to Minister Gojko Šušak and President Tudjman.

This was the climax of the cooperation between the US and Croatia, which began to develop in 1992 at the beginning of the Serbian-Muslim war. In 1995, Clinton was preparing for his re-election, and Bob Dole was the Republican candidate who had requested that Congress remove the arms embargo for the Muslims in BiH. For Clinton, the Balkans became an important issue due to internal matters in the US and his stay in the White House. In their strategy to resolve the crisis, they decided to use Croatia to attack the Serbian forces in BiH, and therefore the Split Declaration was signed by Izetbegović and Tudjman, which permitted the entry of HV forces under the leadership of Ante Gotovina into BiH for the purposes of cooperation with Army BiH. In order to realize that operation, HV had to climb the Dinarid mountains above Knin and liberate the city and Krajina through Operation Storm, and then immediately transfer their troops into BiH in order to pressure the Serbs and force Milošević to sign the Peace Accord in Dayton.

This was a battle against the clock for Clinton, for he needed a quick solution to the crisis in order to halt Dole’s initiative and to prove himself before his voters as a decisive president who could resolve such great crises such as the one in the former Yugoslavia, the horrors of which were shown daily on CNN and other American TV stations. In order to keep the English and French off his back, Clinton bypassed the classical diplomatic channels, in order to be able to claim that he had not participated if the operation were to go sour. However, considering that the operation, led by Richard Holbrook on his behalf, ended successfully, and the men emphasized their success in their respective books.

Prior to Operation Flash, which was supposed to serve as a dress rehearsal for Storm, at exactly midnight, six hours prior to the beginning of the operation, Herrick and Šarač were called into the police and were informed that the planned action would begin in a few hours time. In the Police Ministry, at exactly midnight, the staff of Operation Flash was formed, which was transferred to the Defense Ministry at 6 a.m. When the staff was moved, the American military attaché moved with it. He constantly requested updates and sent them directly to Clinton in the White House. Each morning, the American President was informed of the preparations and every part of the operation. The Americans were thrilled by the way Flash was carried out, they realized that this model of cooperation with the Croatians was ideal, and could be decisive in the battle against Milošević in BiH and could ultimately result in removing him from power. The Pentagon coordinated the entire action via Richard Herrick, and the CIA activities were coordinated by Marc Kelton, head of the CIA branch in Zagreb, who cooperated closely with Miroslav Tudjman, then head of HIS.

In the wee hours of 4 August 1995, the Croatian units were issued the command to turn off all telecommunications devices between midnight and 4 am. Later it was learned that the Americans had used that time to electronically intercept and destroy the Serbian telecommunications devices.

HV was left with one hour, from 4-5 AM to use their radio ties to coordinate the operation. Just prior to Storm, the American military attaché was again called to the operation staff. Ivan Šarač was again with him. One or two days prior to Storm, Herrick, who had prepared Storm with the Croatian officers and gave the operation the green light on Clinton’s behalf, was replaced by Colonel John Sadler. At exactly midnight, they arrived at the operative staff and from there followed all the events in the field. This time, the entire Operation was transmitted in real time via satellite to the Pentagon, where these images remain archived today. The signal transmitted to the signal by the Americans was also received by HV, and with the help of those images, the firing upon Serbian positions and the military base near Knin could be monitored to within millimeters. In addition to electronically destroying the Serbian communications, the US military also acted militarily against the Serbian positions, when it fired on the anti-aircraft battery near Knin from American combat planes that flew over the battle area. That news was released only once, on the 6 o’clock news. Afterwards, the US sharply condemned this, and that news was never repeated. No one believed the official American explanation for the rocket attack, and today the general perception is that this was direct US assistance to HV, only that even ten years after Storm this must not be admitted, due to US-British relations, as Britain had a completely different perspective on how to resolve the Balkan issue. And it still does today.

The first word that Croatian officers might have to stand trial for the events during Storm was heard in 1997. The US immediately responded and requested on a dozen occasions in discussions with the Hague Prosecutor that Storm, as a militarily-clean operation, be left alone, as Nacional has learned from a high-ranking diplomatic source. At that time, there was a problem concerning the extradition of Mladen Naletilić Tuta to the Hague, and the US promised Croatia that the Hague would not raise charges for Storm if they handed Naletilić over. Naletilić was extradited, and Carla Del Ponte outwitted the American administration and began with her demands that the Croatian generals be investigated as suspects in Storm. The US was dismayed but was not allowed to show this, trying to resolve the matter through quiet diplomacy instead, which to this day has not succeeded. Therefore it would be a step in the right direction for the Hague to request that the Pentagon hand over all the images recorded by the ‘Predator’ unmanned aircraft during and after Storm.

Furthermore, for the interests of truth, all of the high ranking American military and intelligence officers involved in the entire operation, which ended the war in the Balkans and removed Milošević from power, should be called to testify in the Hague. Those responsible for the crimes which took place after the operation are known, and they are the ones which should stand before the court, as they should have eight or nine years ago. Had these men been tried then, Carla Del Ponte today would have no aces up her sleeve, and Croatia would not have the problems it has, with the entire operation proclaimed a ‘criminal operation’ and the entire state administration of the time a ‘criminal organization’.

Author: Ivo Pukanic

Source: Nacional, Croatian weekly magazine
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Today, Croatia is almost ethnically clean of Serbs.

That is how USA resolves foreign conflicts and brings democracy to the world:







Mass grave of Serbs in Croatia - the result of the US conducted operation Storm:

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As I've noted before, it was everybody vs. everybody.

But only Serbia gets the bad image. The reason: not licking arse of Uncle Sam. Plain and simple.
Wow 4 posts in a row - you must be fired up over this one!!!!

Well it is good to see that the EU trials in the Hague are even handed.

I think you have a chip on your shoulder about poor little Serbia being victimized all the time - that kind of mental baggage will lead to trouble
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The amount of hypocrisy you emit has no boundaries. Therefore, you are the least credible person on this forum to talk about anything.
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The amount of hypocrisy you emit has no boundaries. Therefore, you are the least credible person on this forum to talk about anything.
...illiteracy instead of hypocrisy!
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I'd say clearly visible historical......illiteracy instead of hypocrisy!
That too. I agree. Little English pawn he is. I believe his countrymen are ashamed of him
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That too. I agree. Little English pawn he is. I believe his countrymen are ashamed of him

No - they voted me greatest ever Britain.


You still don't understand the basis of the relationship between Countries in the free-World. That is understandable given the system that you and your kind have had to live under for so long now.

Hopefully with the education you recieve hear on the PF you develop into true Democracy loving free-market trading human being.

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Oh, guess what: I was just kid when political pluralism was introduced in Serbia.

I happen to know democracy and free market very well. And the bad sides of it, as well. But I guess with the education you receive from me you will develop into a free minded human being too
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