Anti-missile defence – further talks on the radar

AmusedToDeath · #1 (**permalink**) 03-19-2008, 04:09 AM

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March 19, 2008, 11:09

Anti-missile defence – further talks on the radar

Poland and the Czech Republic have both echoed an invitation from the United States for Russia to deploy inspectors at planned missile bases on their territory. It follows talks in Moscow, which ended without an agreement over U.S. plans for a missile defence shield in Europe.

Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs says it has not yet received new proposals on a planned U.S. Missile Defence base as promised. U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said they would arrive in writing.

Both sides expressed hope the meeting on Tuesday was a firm step towards more talks.

The Czech Prime Minister, fresh from talks in Washington, said he would consider allowing Russian inspectors to visit the planned U.S. radar station in his country. For his part, the Polish PM said Russian military monitoring of the sites is something he would consider. Experts suggest pragmatism may be the final victor.

Western and Russian media coverage was muted, with hardly anything new coming from the high-level talks, though the news agency AFP did call the talks “upbeat” and Condoleezza Rice seemed to agree.

"U.S. - Russia relations - a complex relationship - are proceeding in such a way that we are able to go forward in various areas of co-operation, so when we have differences we can talk about them in an atmosphere of mutual respect, and we look forward to future discussions as we seek to flesh out this joint strategic framework,” said Rice.

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov was more guarded.

“As far as missile defence is concerned, both Russia and the United States are interested in addressing these problems in a co-operative and equal way within a framework which will unite us, the United States and Europe. The United States has confirmed its willingness to pursue its plan to set up a third positioning site in Europe. Russia, while not agreeing with this intention, put forward an alternative,” said the Russian FM.

Tug of war set to continue

One of the main arguments Washington forwards in trying to persuade Moscow of the merits of anti-missile defence is that it will not affect Russia's strategic capability. It says the planned bases in Eastern Europe are solely intended to defend against so-called rogue states, such as Iran.

The United States is not willing to accept Russia's offer to use the Gabala radar base in Azerbaijan as an alternative, saying it could only be an additional site.

Meanwhile, Washington is in negotiations with Turkey to deploy further missile tracking bases on its territory. Moscow is concerned the deployment of a system so close to its borders will pose a threat to its national security.

Russia is also concerned about other elements of U.S. defence. In 2007 the U.S. moved its sea-based X-band radar, the largest of its type in the world, to the Aleutian Islands near Alaska.

The location is believed to be optimal for monitoring potential North Korea missile launches, but its close proximity to Russia means it is possible it could also collect data on Russia's intercontinental ballistic missiles. Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs website accused the United States of attempting to destroy strategic stability and keep Russia in an unequal position in global affairs.

So, for now, the two sides seem unable to reconcile their differences.

And related to that, older news:

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December 15, 2007, 13:57

Russia could counterattack if U.S. interceptor is launched
The launch of a U.S. interceptor in Europe as part of a missile defence shield could lead to an inadvertent response from intercontinental ballistic missiles, according to Chief of the Russian Armed Forces General Staff. Yury Baluevsky describes the shape and flight path of an interceptor as similar to that of a ballistic missile.

He says that Russia has an automatic system of missile launch warning which operates with minimum human interference.

Speaking at a media conference, he also added that Russia's suspension of the Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty gives him more flexibility.

“We freed ourselves from the obligations under this treaty. To be more precise, these obligations included the provision of phone information, receiving and carrying out inspections. There’ll be no massive arms build up, but now, as Chief of General staff, I can freely move Russian troops across the territory of Russia – something I couldn’t do before the CFE suspension law came into force,” Baluevsky said.

Source: Russia Today

sunnyside · #2 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008, 12:38 AM

Well I'm glad we're talking. I'd rather Russia was on our side with this business.

And it isn't like Russia wouldn't have reason to.

While the US and Israel are doing a good job of distracting the Muslim world. Eventaully the US will be out of Iraq, and possibly an independent Palestine may emerge.

At that point some people might start remembering Tatarstan and Chechnya. Actual conquered Muslim territory.

And if Iran or someone "loses" a nuclear warhead to a group that's got a scud or some such Russia is in range. The US isn't.

lunecat · #3 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008, 04:18 AM

RADAR another great Scottish invention

Sir Robert Watson-Watt

Grond · #4 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008, 05:11 AM

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RADAR another great Scottish invention

Sir Robert Watson-Watt

Another, huh?! You meant that scottish father of Stealth? An anecdote

...it was a great Heinrich Herz who discovered reflection of electromagnetic waves first. He is also credited to builf first parabolic antenna to gain hertzian waves.

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On April 2, 1935, Watson-Watt was granted a patent for radar.

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Soviets successfully tested a radiolocator (Russian name for radar) to detect a plane in January of 1934.

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What is a best way to waste time for an ignorant? Screaming about spreading Democracy at political forum!

lunecat · #5 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Grond

....
On April 2, 1935, Watson-Watt was granted a patent for radar.
...

Thanks, Watson-Watt was working on and developing RADAR or many many years, he was the first to be able to produce a repeatable, documentable and deomonstratable RADAR system in the World - hence he was granted the patent.

Grond · #6 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lunecat

Thanks, Watson-Watt was working on and developing RADAR or many many years,

Soviet scientists built it earlier than Watson-Watt

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Originally Posted by lunecat

he was the first to be able to produce a repeatable, documentable and deomonstratable RADAR system in the World - hence he was granted the patent.

...in the Great Britain and in the USA - not in the World!

sunnyside · #7 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008, 09:22 AM

...and Americans detected a plane using a more primitive type of radar in 1930. Really it comes out of Germany and from then on it was being researched and developed by a lot of groups. Many made significant advances.

lunecat · #8 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008, 09:23 AM

The Worlds first RADAR to detect a movig plane was demonstrated in Britain before USSR

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Research in Russia began in 1934, but was somewhat hindered by quarrels between different authorities. However, one of the earlier devices was a success, with a 70km detection range against aircraft.

So research only began in 1934 is USSR - so that makes your claims that they had anything other than some test equipment on a work bench. nothing more

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Sir Robert Watson-Watt (1892 - 1973) sucessfully demonstrated the detection of an aircraft by a radio device, during the so-called Daventry Experiment. An order for full scale development of radar was issued later that year

When USSR was playing with its lego bricks, the UK had a fully working and functional RADR system.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/A591545

You forget Democracy technology always beats Totalitarian technology - he he he

Grond · #9 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lunecat

The Worlds first RADAR to detect a movig plane was demonstrated in Britain before USSR...So research only began in 1934 is USSR - so that makes your claims that they had anything other than some test equipment on a work bench. nothing more

...according to link above Soviets began to work in 1933. A plane was detected during official tests near Leningrad on January 3, 1934.

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Originally Posted by lunecat

When USSR was playing with its lego bricks, the UK had a fully working and functional RADR system.

USSR began to create combat RLS for Anti Aircraft Units in 1934.

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Originally Posted by lunecat

You forget Democracy technology always beats Totalitarian technology - he he he

Yeah, no doubt. For instance, Sputnik was definitely a product of Free Western World.

Grond · #10 (**permalink**) 03-29-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnyside

Really it comes out of Germany and from then on it was being researched and developed by a lot of groups. Many made significant advances.

Good point.

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