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Russia and China are powers to respect. Russia is the largest country in the world and China is the most populated country in the world. Both of them don't agree with Uncle Sam. Don't you think something is wrong here?
You can count the number of times we have been in agreement over the past 100 years on a single hand, so no, this doesn't particularly bother me. Countries look after their own self-interest, or perceived self-interest, first. And that's exactly how Russia, China, and the U.S. function on the Security Council. Our interests are occasionally, but not often, aligned.
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She is a war criminal and should be prosecuted!
Come and get her.
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Me: Despite how uneducated we seem to be, we've had no trouble competing with foreigners on multiple fronts.

Despite the fact you are uneducated (which is relative and I don't find it that way), you always manage to import brains whenever you need them.
Having a superior culture makes that easy.
another words is No money , no brain.Sad,on ours luck we have brain without money.
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Besides, the only institution entitled to use force against a sovereign country in the world is the Security Council of UN.
Says who?

Iraq has already disproven that claim.
Yes, and thats crime my friend by int. low.If its not than all UN country will attack with you not only yours 51th states.Just first read int. low and you see that.
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Not Uncle Sam, not some military pact like NATO.
Explain why the UN has any more authority than NATO.
Because NATO is just military alliance not political(well she should be by the agreement of NATO states) and in NATO is only some country not all in whole world but in UN are all country and UN is political and military organization and all country recognize low of UN.
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Exactly. The UN is not the boss of the world. They are merely a forum.
And , if i may ask who is the boss?
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Him: cleverly this was done by bombing strategic targets within Serbia using guided weapon

What's strategic about bombing a civilian train full of people?
You have yet to provide proof that the train was our target.
Target or not train is bombed and civilians are death and NATO aircraft done that so what proof you need?
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Don't talk to me about this NATO crappy propaganda. I was here when NATO bombed us. And yes, they were deliberately bombing some civilian targets in order to force Milosevic to capitulate
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NATO warplanes struck oil refineries, a fuel depot, bridges and a factory in pre-dawn raids over Yugoslavia Tuesday and bombed targets near the Kosovo capital of Pristina, Serbian TV reported.
See oil refineries, fuel depots, bridges and factories ....

There may have been a few weapons that missed their target - BUT NO they were not deliberately bombing civilians.

Just because you were on the ground at the time and your Government was refusing to obey UN resolution 1244 - that does in no way qualify you to say that NATO deliberately targetted civilians - that is just Serb propoganda.

Unless you can supply a link to a credible source that confirms NATO deliberately targeted civilians - you are just blowing hot air!!! as usual.

Kosovo is a free Independent Country - its a done deal !
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Me: That the Founding Fathers were morally inferior to us as well.

Such nonsense! They were far more superior to you in terms of morality.
I see...so you believe slavery is moral? Denying women the right to vote is moral?


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Me: Explain why the UN has any more authority than NATO.

Why do you even try to discuss politics if you don't have basic knowledge of international political institutions and organizations?
So you do not know where the UN derives it's authority?



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Russia and China are powers to respect. Russia is the largest country in the world and China is the most populated country in the world. Both of them don't agree with Uncle Sam. Don't you think something is wrong here?
So you are saying that authority should be based on population and landmass?



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By the way, the Security Council itself was created to function the way it does.
Created by who? Did your nation get a say?



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Him: She is a war criminal and should be prosecuted!

Me: Come and get her.

dont say twice.
Come and get her then. Whats stopping you?



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Him: Despite the fact you are uneducated (which is relative and I don't find it that way), you always manage to import brains whenever you need them.

Me: Having a superior culture makes that easy.

another words is No money , no brain.
We have money because we have brains.


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Him: Besides, the only institution entitled to use force against a sovereign country in the world is the Security Council of UN.

Me: Says who? Iraq has already disproven that claim.

Yes, and thats crime my friend by int. low.If its not than all UN country will attack with you not only yours 51th states.Just first read int. low and you see that.
What does "int low" mean?


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Him: Not Uncle Sam, not some military pact like NATO.

Me: Explain why the UN has any more authority than NATO.

Because NATO is just military alliance not political(well she should be by the agreement of NATO states) and in NATO is only some country not all in whole world
The UN is not the whole world either. The PRC is in the UN, but the people of China are not represented. Because the People of China have no say in the PRC's policies.

That makes the UN little more than a bully. So why shouldn't NATO get to decide things for the same reason?



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Me: Exactly. The UN is not the boss of the world. They are merely a forum.

And , if i may ask who is the boss?
There is no boss. All international interaction is ultimately unilateral. The UN has no more authority than NATO, or the US, or anyone else.



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Him: cleverly this was done by bombing strategic targets within Serbia using guided weapon.

Him: What's strategic about bombing a civilian train full of people?

Me: You have yet to provide proof that the train was our target.

Target or not train is bombed and civilians are death and NATO aircraft done that so what proof you need?
In this context, I need proof that we deliberately targeted civilians.

If it was not deliberate, then you cannot say we targeted civilians.
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Russia and China are powers to respect. Russia is the largest country in the world and China is the most populated country in the world. Both of them don't agree with Uncle Sam. Don't you think something is wrong here?

By the way, the Security Council itself was created to function the way it does. If a major world power doesn't agree - it can veto something. This time, you have two powers that don't agree.
This is true. Which is why China is getting away with the Tibet situation. The purpose of the council, really, is to try and keep the major powers playing nice enough with each other.

However the structure leaves things open for other countries. With veto power multiple ways it is very possible to come to situations that are simply unresolvable. And these unfortunate cases are where unilateral action then must take place.

Hopefully it is the case that all the major powers understand each other in regards to the Kosovo situation. We in the west understand that China and Russia do not wish to have their own seperationists have their freedom and hopefully they understand that having the Kosovo situation in eternal limbo was not an acceptable solution and that reunification would likely lead to disaster and so accept our action so long as we don't move on Tibet or Cechneya.


Oh and on the bombings. I think it's fairly obvious the train was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and I think it should have been considered criminal negligence to run trains across a bridge that has already been repeatedly targeted for demolition.

The cluster market was also unfortunate but it sounds like we were supposed to be bombing other dual use facilities such as an airfield and fuel depot. While somewhat hard on civilians dual use targets such as power, manufactoring, transportation, and communications are what need to be taken down in order to cut off the supplies driving a military.

I'm sure you would have prefirred we wasted our munitions on single tanks hidden in a woods, but that's not the smart way to do things.
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Just because you were on the ground at the time and your Government was refusing to obey UN resolution 1244 - that does in no way qualify you to say that NATO deliberately targetted civilians - that is just Serb propoganda.

Unless you can supply a link to a credible source that confirms NATO deliberately targeted civilians - you are just blowing hot air!!! as usual.

Kosovo is a free Independent Country - its a done deal !
During bomb campaign Serbs have over 2000 civil death , and less than 2000 army.Is this not enough to say what they try to hit and i try to find some link(not by serbs and i post it). And yeah Kosovo will be free Ind. Con. only if UN say.But i dont think this will be happened soon. Maybe is free for Albanian because more than 200.000 Serbs were leave Kosovo.Tnx NATO and KLA.
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So you are saying that authority should be based on population and landmass?
By population, one man one vote,same is in UN and world , one country one vote.
This is democracy is it? This is how US told us democracy is, vote of any man so we just play with yours rules.
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Int.lAw.Sry. International law.
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All international interaction is ultimately unilateral. The UN has no more authority than NATO, or the US, or anyone else.
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If it was not deliberate, then you cannot say we targeted civilians.
As a said TARGET OR NOT train is bombed and civilians are death and NATO aircraft done that so what proof you need?
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During bomb campaign Serbs have over 2000 civil death , and less than 2000 army.Is this not enough to say what they try to hit and i try to find some link(not by serbs and i post it). And yeah Kosovo will be free Ind. Con. only if UN say.But i dont think this will be happened soon. Maybe is free for Albanian because more than 200.000 Serbs were leave Kosovo.Tnx NATO and KLA.
Kosovo has been declared as an Independent country and will continue to be so.

The NATO bombings of Serbia was a necessary action. That's the cost of freedom.
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