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Old 03-26-2008, 01:12 PM
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You have to realize that it is very important to use what the target was. It's an unfortunate fact of modern warfare that when you start throwing around high explosives some civilians will probably be killed.

This is especially the case when the army in question goes to ground and so you have to start going after their supply line.

And even moreso when the country being bombed does not attempt to get its civilians out of harms way. I guess a comment to anyone else who finds themselves in a similar situation. If you work in a type of building that someone is actively targeting, consider calling in sick for a week or so. If they are bombing bridges try to avoid crossing those.
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I was in that war in Serbian Army and i saw what they shooting.So nobody should explain me what is war and how civilians die.In my town they shoot some civilian building and there was no single soldier, only civilians.As a mater of fact no soldiers or any kind of army was there in 5km around.I was there and i know it, believe or not.So here is some links you can see but if you try to get true just type in Google civil casualties in Serbia during NATO aggression and you will see all you need.Just dont look at Serbian sites.
http://www.mineaction.org/downloads/...r%20wounds.pdf
http://www.kosovoliberationarmy.com/
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/nato....htm#TopOfPage
http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archive.../msg00146.html
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Old 03-26-2008, 01:16 PM
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OK thanks.Not long ago in US there was a deth penalty for being a communist.
Nope just plain wrong. Even during the cold war there was still a legal communist party in america that you could be a member of.

You could get punted out of political office for being a communist. But they couldn't send you to jail just for that much less kill you.

Hoover was known for overstepping his bounds and putting survelance on "subversives", but again I'm not sure how many arrests came out of that and no deaths. And if there were arrests it wouldn't be for being a communist it would have to be that they were tracking someoen because they were a communist and happened to catch or suspect them of something else that they could charge them for.


Here seriously check this out from the Communist Party of the United States of America website. It's what they list as their "accomplishments"
http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/511/#question30

Note that they list running candidates during much of the cold war and mention overt activities that have been ongoing the whole time. At no point were they not a legal organization.

#EDIT. Your references there still aren't talking about NATO deliberatly targeting civilians. I also note that the last reference mentions us hitting Kosovar Albanians. We certainly weren't trying to hit them. It does make cluster bombs sound like nasty pieces of work with bomblets hitting hundreds of yards away from the target even if most connect, resulting in a higher rate of civilian casualties.

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See oil refineries, fuel depots, bridges and factories ....

There may have been a few weapons that missed their target - BUT NO they were not deliberately bombing civilians.

Just because you were on the ground at the time and your Government was refusing to obey UN resolution 1244 - that does in no way qualify you to say that NATO deliberately targetted civilians - that is just Serb propoganda.

Unless you can supply a link to a credible source that confirms NATO deliberately targeted civilians - you are just blowing hot air!!! as usual.

Kosovo is a free Independent Country - its a done deal !
See, you lack basic information on the conflict, but you keep on pushing either way. The 1244 Resolution was adopted after the bombing had ended (by signing the Kumanovo treaty on June 10th). The resolution was meant to solve the issue on paper. The paper says this: Serbian army leaves Kosovo (untouched - lousy NATO) and NATO occupiers go in. After law and order are restored, Serbian army moves 1000 soldiers in to protect Serbian population from ethnic cleansing. NATO refuses to fulfill the obligation from the UN resolution and the epilogue is this: more than 250,000 Serb refugees flee from Kosovo, while the whole international community just sits back and enjoyes.

Human rights? Don't try to sell me that crap. You occupied Kosovo in order to achieve your interests. Nothing more, nothing less. But we shall not forget...
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Serbian army moves 1000 soldiers in to protect Serbian population from ethnic cleansing.
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A contradiction in terms !


Of course you are not personally responsible for the past activities of your ex-Government.
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A contradiction in terms !


Of course you are not personally responsible for the past activities of your ex-Government.
Neither are you for the activities of your leaders before, during and after the bombing.

There is no contradiction. Ethnic cleansing is ethnic cleansing. You can't have double standards about human life. Milosevic committed many bad things, but Serbian people is the first to renounce him. So we did. We overthrew him, arrested him and handed him over to the Hague tribunal, no matter how biased the court may be.

But NATO, KFOR and the entire western world calmly sat and watched the mass exodus of Serbs after NATO occupation. And no one did a darn thing to stop it. Your governments are responsible for that. And you are personally responsible for not raising voice and being totally indifferent! Even now you try to deny that fact.

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We overthrew him, arrested him and handed him over to the Hague tribunal, no matter how biased the court may be.
You should arrest him and send him into Serbian trial instead of that bunch of Hague pro-Western prostitutes.
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You should arrest him and send him into Serbian trial instead of that bunch of Hague pro-Western prostitutes.
Yes,i think more than 90% of Serbian people have desire for that.But...(*)(*)(*)(*) happens.
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You should arrest him and send him into Serbian trial instead of that bunch of Hague pro-Western prostitutes.
I agree with you. That is my personal opinion too. But the pressure was too high, and Djindjic had to do it. It was the only way for NATO to wash their hands - by putting Milosevic on trial. However, the whole indictment was a piece of crap, and they couldn't prove his guilt. But he was supposed to be prosecuted here, for the damage he brought upon Serbian society as a whole.
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After law and order are restored, Serbian army moves 1000 soldiers in to protect Serbian population from ethnic cleansing. NATO refuses to fulfill the obligation from the UN resolution
Good for them. It never makes me sad to see the UN undermined.



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NATO refuses to fulfill the obligation from the UN resolution and the epilogue is this: more than 250,000 Serb refugees flee from Kosovo, while the whole international community just sits back and enjoyes.
You honestly believe that the point of our intervention was because we get a sadistic pleasure from watching Serbians suffer?



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Him: You should arrest him and send him into Serbian trial instead of that bunch of Hague pro-Western prostitutes.

I agree with you. That is my personal opinion too. But the pressure was too high, and Djindjic had to do it.
We did not believe you would really punish him for what he did.
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Good for them. It never makes me sad to see the UN undermined.
What are you talking about? NATO was very determined to allow the cleansing. It made things easier now, considering the declaration of independence. Look beyond...

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You honestly believe that the point of our intervention was because we get a sadistic pleasure from watching Serbians suffer?
No. It's not about sadism. It is about politics. Less Serbs in Kosovo - easier cutting off of Kosovo from Serbia.

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We did not believe you would really punish him for what he did.
This statement has no sense. Yes, we woud punish him. Perhaps even hang him on the main square in Belgrade. But that would not justify NATO's crimes. So NATO had to see him in court he invented - the Hague Tribunal.
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