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Old 03-27-2008, 07:19 AM
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But NATO, KFOR and the entire western world calmly sat and watched the mass exodus of Serbs after NATO occupation. And no one did a darn thing to stop it.
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Remember Russian troops at Pristina airport had KFOR on their tanks!

So what if Serbs left Kosovo - is it really a surpise to you that after all the despicable crimes Serbs committed that they ran away? Many Nazis did the same in the last days of WWII. Just a little bit of history repeating ....

Anyway this thread is about the illegal Russian state whinning about the World Democracies giving support to a fellow member - nothing wrong in that at all.
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Old 03-27-2008, 07:26 AM
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What are you talking about? NATO was very determined to allow the cleansing.
I disagree that ethnic cleansing was what NATO wanted.


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Me: We did not believe you would really punish him for what he did.

This statement has no sense. Yes, we woud punish him.
Well, we didn't think you would. Even in hindsight I am not fully convinced you would have punished him.



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But that would not justify NATO's crimes. So NATO had to see him in court he invented - the Hague Tribunal.
Yep. I agree the court is kinda pointless. Just as it was for Saddam. But I am not shedding any tears over his death.
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Kosovo has received 13 F16's from the US. The two modern aircraft fighters will have a tough time completing their tasks without breaking Serbia's, Montenegro, Albania or Macedonia's airspace due to their tough maneuvering.
Meantime, a Russian military commander who asked for anonymity has confirmed that Russia is modernizing Serbia's Mig 29 fleet. He added, 'for Kosovo Mig29 would have been a better choice than the F16.'
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Kosovo has received 13 F16's from the US.
Whats your source for this?

Good news if its true.
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Russia is modernizing Serbia's Mig 29 fleet. He added, 'for Kosovo Mig29 would have been a better choice than the F16.'
I'd also like to see the source.

As for the quoted bit did the Russians actually say that? What country would be dumb enough to rely on getting military arms, replacement parts and supplies from a country that opposes their right to exist?
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What Serbian Mig29 fleet are you talking about? Serbia has 2 or 3 Mig29s... If you call that a fleet.. well then
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Not sure why we need to arm them with F-16s at all.

I mean, the planes that Russia wants to arm Serbia with are only Russian aircraft right? No stealth to stop our missiles. So we should just arm Kosovo with ground-based air defenses. Then they can ignore those Mig29s as if they didnt exist.
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Not so simple SS. While missile systems are getting better and Russian planes aren't stealthy by flying in low on a route the radar systems have a hard time seeing (for example due to Kosovos topography) you could get an old propeller plane through a missile defense system.

Generally you want an armed eye in the sky to deal with such threats.

Also lacking the ability to counterattack puts you in a bad position.

Finally if they're willing to actually pay for them eventually it's a good deal for the US.
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Not so simple SS. While missile systems are getting better and Russian planes aren't stealthy by flying in low on a route the radar systems have a hard time seeing (for example due to Kosovos topography) you could get an old propeller plane through a missile defense system.
Which would make them vulnerable to hand-mounted stinger missiles. - http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/stinger.htm -

FAS lists it's speed as supersonic. And Pakistan has used it to shoot down at least one Mig-21 as far as I know.

One probably would not be a threat...but several dozen at once? These things are dirt cheap to produce by our standards.



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Also lacking the ability to counterattack puts you in a bad position.
Why? If the goal is to destroy incoming Russian planes, a combination of SAMs and scattered clusters of stinger missiles should be sufficient.

Besides, they will have the ability to retaliate by proxy. If that becomes necessary.

Dont get me wrong. I am definitely not opposed to selling the Kosovars fighters. I am just saying that considering how weak the opposing technology is, they may not even need the fighters.




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Old 03-28-2008, 10:50 AM
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The Albanians cant fly the plains.And when a airplane takes of a airport in kosovo it is in central serbia ha ha.And what is it with that stelt tehnology,i think that it is junk.
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