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Old 03-26-2008, 03:35 AM
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So I guess that means according to international law we are not required to respect international law.
Not true. You ARE required to respect it, if you agreed to sign multilateral conventions, such is the Charter of UN. But what your government is doing is creating precedents for Uncle Sam only not to respect international law. Such precedents are legal from your point of view, but illegal considering the international law.

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He mentioned that as far as he knows, initially Washington will supply Kosovo with small arms and armored vehicles without heavy equipment. Subsequently the Albanians will be trained for air force and tank units.
Small arms and armored vehicles are funny in comparison with true armies consisted of heavy artillery. It is not enough to train Albanians to use planes and tanks, they have to owe them in order to use them when necessary. That's the difference. Uncle Sam is playing Albanians only, due to bad experience he gained with supporting Al Qaeda back in the 1980's.

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UN RESOLUTION 1244 translated is : Serbia, get out of Kosovo, or we use force under the auspices of NATO!
The resolution says this: Serbian army (not Serbs) - get out of Kosovo, but you can leave 999 soldiers and police officers to protect some areas populated by Serbs (which foxy NATO never allowed). The resolution also states that Kosovo is an integral part of FRY to which Republic of Serbia is the legal successor. NATO was supposed to stay temporarily in Kosovo until peace, law and order are restored, and then leave the province, but continue to monitor the situation. After overthrow of Milosevic and electing democratic government, full autonomy would be restored to Kosovo Albanians and minority rights would be guaranteed to them. And everything would be cool. But no! Uncle Sam did not build bases in Kosovo to leave. That's the problem. Albanians will be facing the exact same problem in the future after they get sick and tired of Yankees and after they become sober of "their" victory.

When that happens, you will be facing one huge hit in the face by the boomerang (Ted mentioned another term used by CIA, but I can't remember it now).

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The resolution says this: Serbian army (not Serbs) -
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The UN wasn't trying to de-populate Kosovo of Serbs; their intention was to stop the de-population of Kosovans by the Serbs. And this was achieved by booting out the Serbs' Army - cleverly this was done by bombing strategic targets within Serbia using guided weapon
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cleverly this was done by bombing strategic targets within Serbia using guided weapon
What's strategic about bombing a civilian train full of people?

Or bombing a market in Nis with cluster bombs and killing dozens of civilians?

What's strategic about bombing power plants and denying people to use power - isn't that violation of human rights and a desire to send people into stone age?

Don't talk to me about this NATO crappy propaganda. I was here when NATO bombed us. And yes, they were deliberately bombing some civilian targets in order to force Milosevic to capitulate.
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Are cluster bombs "guided weapons"? The thing is forbidden for Christ's sake... And NATO threw it on a market in the center of Nis - the second largest city in Serbia.

Nato cluster bombs 'kill 15' in hospital and crowded market



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What are we talking about.The Greath Britan has killed milions only in the 19 century.
They have occupated the half of the world.
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AmusedToDeath - Why do Serbs suddenly talk about International law?

Serbia doesn't listen to international law, only when it fits them! *bleeping* hypocrites!
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AmusedToDeath - Why do Serbs suddenly talk about International law?

Serbia doesn't listen to international law, only when it fits them! *bleeping* hypocrites!
Serbia always respected international law! Always! Name one situation when Serbia broke int. law!

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She is a war criminal and should be prosecuted!
Come and get her.


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And such a thing would happen if she weren't a high ranking Jew.
I think the fact that she is American has more to do with it than the fact that she is Jewish.



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Me: Despite how uneducated we seem to be, we've had no trouble competing with foreigners on multiple fronts.

Despite the fact you are uneducated (which is relative and I don't find it that way), you always manage to import brains whenever you need them.
Having a superior culture makes that easy.


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Me: Why aren't they electing politicians to kick us out then?

They will elect politicians to kick you out after you allow them to elect politicians to kick you out.
Please post your evidence that the US has veto powers within the Iraqi political system.


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Me: If NATO recognized Serbia as sovereign, would we have bombed them?

Of course.
I disagree. there is no precedent for that.



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Me: How much have we seized so far? Do you have a source?

Your fellow republicans should answer that question to you.
My fellow Republicans are not the ones making the claim. You are.

So you are saying you have no actual evidence that the US has seized a single drop of oil in Iraq?



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You: And yet you still think that US is fighting for world democrcy??? What abouth Indian rights in america.

Me: Lots of American Indians are citizens of the US, and have all the same rights I do. Including voting.

Old and very well known scenario. Exterminate the people, and after letting a couple of them live - give them rights and represent yourselves as democrats.
Once again, you have no evidence that Indians do not have the same rights I do in America.

So Marko's implication that Indians do not have rights in America is wrong. If they have the same rights as me, and have equal representation, then how are we not a democracy?



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Me: There is not a single black American in the US that does not have all the exact same rights and privillages I do.

After long and hard fight.
So what? When have I ever made excuses for previous versions of America?

I have openly stated on this forum, MANY times, that previous versions of America are morally inferior to modern America. That the Founding Fathers were morally inferior to us as well. I've never equivocated on that. Unlike most conservatives, I don't worship the Founding Fathers a gleaming perfect icons.

Yes, they were wrong. Yes, it was a long fight. But in the end, democracy won out. Democracy prevailed because it was a superior ideology. It will prevail in your area of the world too eventually, and for the same reason.

Democracy is superior to all competing ideologies we have seen so far. The empirical evidence makes that clear.


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Besides, the only institution entitled to use force against a sovereign country in the world is the Security Council of UN.
Says who?

Iraq has already disproven that claim.



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Not Uncle Sam, not some military pact like NATO.
Explain why the UN has any more authority than NATO.



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The NATO bombing of Serbia was an aggression and a crime against peace, since Serbia never attacked another sovereign nation.
Oppression alone is grounds for military action. If Germany started stuffing Jews into ovens again, we'd bomb them to. Even if they never attacked any other nation.



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Part of being soverign is the ability to make war and peace. The rest of the world is still mae up of soveriegn states, we are not a world ruled by the UN, but a world arbitrated through it.
Exactly. The UN is not the boss of the world. They are merely a forum.



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Sadistic,

We haven't got the biggest military. Most technoligically advanced maybe but not largest.
Hardware-wise, yes, our military is larger. We have more tanks and planes and ships than any military in the world...even numerically.



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....?.Then why we have UN and international low?In reference you provide to us the only thing i have concluded is that US and UK take place of Pope in medieval times when he had right to excommunicate some nations( country, Kings,etc...).
No argument here. Which is why the UN should be dissolved IMO.



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Him: we are not a world ruled by the UN, but a world arbitrated through it.

No, we r the world ruled by the UN
Says who?



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someone respect this someone not.Thats why some states have right on veto, to stop individual wars and to make agreement to take actions without war.
If we don't respect it, why do we have the right to veto? Why do the US, CHina, Russia, ect.. get permanent veto powers, but the rest of you do not?

That ALONE should be evidence of how inherently unfair the UN is.



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Small arms and armored vehicles are funny in comparison with true armies consisted of heavy artillery.
I agree. Which is why I would support arming Kosovo more heavily in the near future.

But small arms and armored vehicles are a good start.


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The resolution also states that Kosovo is an integral part of FRY to which Republic of Serbia is the legal successor.
That is your own interpretation. Is is not explicitly stated anywhere that Kosovo is part of Serbia. That is merely an assumption you are making based on your own interpretation of succession.

We do not share your interpretation.



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Him: cleverly this was done by bombing strategic targets within Serbia using guided weapon

What's strategic about bombing a civilian train full of people?
You have yet to provide proof that the train was our target.


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What's strategic about bombing power plants and denying people to use power
Because it denies the enemy the use of power as well. That is not obvious to you?



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isn't that violation of human rights and a desire to send people into stone age?
No. Technically it is not under these circumstances.


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Don't talk to me about this NATO crappy propaganda. I was here when NATO bombed us. And yes, they were deliberately bombing some civilian targets in order to force Milosevic to capitulate.
Opinion noted.
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Not true. You ARE required to respect it, if you agreed to sign multilateral conventions, such is the Charter of UN. But what your government is doing is creating precedents for Uncle Sam only not to respect international law. Such precedents are legal from your point of view, but illegal considering the international law.
If I understand things correctly we are not. Specifically that while the international courts have the ability to throw fines and stuff at us they have no legal ability to actually make the US pay. And so we don't.

And 1244 did indicate that Kosovo should reamain part of Yugoslavia/Serbia but it did not promise it and indicated that the situation would have to be resolved. If Russia and China hadn't been sitting on the situation with a veto a new resolution would have passed creating a fully legal Kosovo.
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That the Founding Fathers were morally inferior to us as well.
Such nonsense! They were far more superior to you in terms of morality.

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Explain why the UN has any more authority than NATO.
Why do you even try to discuss politics if you don't have basic knowledge of international political institutions and organizations?

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If Russia and China hadn't been sitting on the situation with a veto a new resolution would have passed creating a fully legal Kosovo.
Russia and China are powers to respect. Russia is the largest country in the world and China is the most populated country in the world. Both of them don't agree with Uncle Sam. Don't you think something is wrong here?

By the way, the Security Council itself was created to function the way it does. If a major world power doesn't agree - it can veto something. This time, you have two powers that don't agree.
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