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Old 04-06-2008, 03:11 PM
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What's next? Is everyone going to boycott the U.S from having the Olympics because of the Iraq war? If the Olympics were meant to be political, China wouldn't be hosting the Olympics in the first place! This is the same old China we've all known all these years.
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The current media pre-occupation with Tibet is being exploited by the US and its allies for propaganda purposes. Expect more of the same anti-Chinese propaganda as the olympic games draw closer and as the Chinese economy continues to grow in the coming years.

I find it just a little bit hypocritical to say the very least that the US junta condemns China for its human rights abuses in Tibet, whilst it simultaneously rewards its client in the Middle East, Israel, for raining bombs down on the Palestinian people. Moreover, I do not see the human rights of the Iraqi's respected in view of the fact that 1.2 million of them have died violent deaths as a direct result of the US-led invasion and subsequent occupation of that country, and where a further 7 million suffer serious injury and some 5 million have become displaced out of a total population of 28 million.

Perhaps it's the case that human rights abuses are only deemed to be human rights abuses if those who are doing the abusing restrict their abuse to their fellow countrymen and women? It doesn't appear to occur to the corporate media that 'we' the West are also complicit in human rights abuses. You see folks, for the media to focus a proportionate amount of attention on OUR crimes serves no useful purpose to official forms of Western power - that's the real issue at hand here.

The media conveniently portray Chinese human rights abuses as the operation of outside external forces (China) attacking and invading the sovereignty of an independent nation (Tibet). However, the reality is that Tibet is a province of China and therefore it is a physical impossibility for one country (in this case China) or any other country for that matter, to INVADE ITSELF. What we don't hear about or see on our tv screens are the thousands of Han Chinese who have had their properties and businesses destroyed by the so-called peaceful Tibetan's.

On the other hand, what we do hear and see plenty of are flag waving xenophobic 'Tibetan nationalists' in Greece and elswehere attempting to prevent the olympic torch being carried along its route. We are also expected to believe that a lone demonstrator was able to break through one of the world's greatest security cordons without the prior knowledge of the Greek authorities. I am not alone in thinking that this was a carefully controlled media stunt.

What all this anti-Chinese frenzy is really about is the attempt by the Western powers and their complicit media lackey's to underscore the potential threat the country poses as a future economic competitor to the US and its allies. I am not saying that China is perfect - far from it - but neither are the human rights of numerous other nations throughout the world - many of whom profess to call themselves 'democracies'. But that fact doesn't incur quite the wrath that China is currently experiencing, and one has to wonder why that is the case, especially at this moment in time?
So you are in fact defending the Chinese occupation of Tibet? Sure, it's not meant to be political, I'm all for that. However, you are very foolish to think the Chinese juggernaut cannot be stopped.....
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You ask if I'm defending the Chinese occupation of Tibet? The proposition is ridiculous for the reason that a country cannot occupy its own territority as I made clear in my previous post. When riots and looting broke out after the levees broke in New Orleans, nobody (rightly) described Washington's intervention to quell them as an invasion or occupation because New Orleans is in fact US territory. Unlike the US and many countries in the West generally, China has no history of colonial/imperial intervention and therefore it is hypocritical for the West to demonise China in the way it has in relation to its undoubted human rights abuses.

Very few people doubt the reality of human rights abuses in China, but the crux of the matter is why the Western media is pre-occupied with the province of Tibet? China's main crime is its attempt to modernise and turn a backward feudal society into a modern state capitalist economy by integrating it - through advanced communication networks - with the rest of China. The US and the West ought to be learning these lessons from the Chinese rather than demonising them for political purposes.
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What's next? Is everyone going to boycott the U.S from having the Olympics because of the Iraq war? If the Olympics were meant to be political, China wouldn't be hosting the Olympics in the first place! This is the same old China we've all known all these years.
Uh, you got that assbackwards. The US overturned a dictatorship, the PRC imposed a dictatorship. Got it all clear now, sparky?
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You ask if I'm defending the Chinese occupation of Tibet? The proposition is ridiculous for the reason that a country cannot occupy its own territority as I made clear in my previous post. .


Like saying the soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956 was OK because a country can't invade it's own territory.
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The original thoughts of Olympic is to encourage athletics to participate in sports and nurture the spirit of sports without international intervention of politics and affairs as well as confrontation. The idea is to build a strong global society and harmony and allow more interactions between countries. Nevertheless, there are countries who like to make use of Olympic to propagate their ideology and form alliance to oppose others that are not on clique with them.

Most of the european countries like to uphold human rights in their perspective and not respecting other countries belief and regime. The ongoing confrontation will bring no benefits to the world. France and Germany are the most stupid countries to oppose Olympic and use it as a tool of fulfilling their politics.

If that is the case, we may boycott Germany and France for whatever reason in future.
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If China is occupying Tibet, then the whites are bullying the red indians in US.
The president of US should be Red Indians instead of whites where they occupied their land during the 10th centuries by France and Britain.

Some of the USA states should declare independence too and should be managed by Red Indians or the aborigines. Where is the human rights in western countries?
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Their called Indian reserves. They don't have revolts either which we brutally repress, unlike China.
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.... that's right. Should Israel now be banned from playing international football (soccer) matches for their abuse of the Palestinians? Should US and British athletes be banned from the Olympic Games for their nations' role in Iraq? Of course not. The entire notion therefore, that the Olympic Games should not be held in China is absolutely prepostrous. The reality is that human rights abuses are not restricted to 'dictatorships' but occur in 'democracies' too. You see, we in the West appear to be extremely selective in our condemnation of human rights abuses. In the US today record numbers of people live in relative poverty and the queues at food kitchens are fast approaching the levels last witnessed during the great depression of the 1930s. But very few journalists describe this as a human rights issue.

Similarly, one would be very hard pressed to read anywhere US human rights abuses in relation to its policy of legalised state killing in the form of capital punishment. This is particularly pertinent given that the US currently ranks second in the world behind Iran as the nation that executes more of its fellow citizens per capita of the population than anywhere else on the planet.

Moreover, as a direct result of the US-led invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq, some 1.2 million Iraqi's out of a total population of just 28 million have met with violent deaths, 7 million have been injured and 5 million displaced. As I write this the US client Israel rains American bombs down on the defenceless Palestinian people, but you see, these are not deemed human rights issues because the people affected are not useful to 'us'.

When 'we' abuse human rights, to 'them' in far away places, the media fall relatively silent, but when 'they' are responsible for human rights abuses that negatively impact upon our economic interests, the media work in overdrive to condemn them. This is the central issue that underpins media attention on China's human rights abuses in relation to Tibet.

In London on sunday I witnessed the spectacle of perhaps 1,000 protestors lining the streets venting their anger at the Chinese regime. The media attention that this garnered was so disproprtionate as to be beyond a joke. Full page followed by full page in the mainstream corporate media, through to the almost blanket tv news coverage, was dedicated to this event. Compare and contrast this with the 2 million demonstration against the US-led invasion of Iraq 5 years ago in this very city and one will discover that the time devoted to this historically unprecedented display of public anger was perhaps 10 per cent of that devoted to the Tibet issue. The forthcoming Olympic Games - like all sports - are not inherently politicised as some have argued on this site, rather the West as result of their actions, are actively politicising them.
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