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Old 04-02-2008, 07:39 AM
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As well Serbian policemen. There have been numerous trials for excessive use of force in Serbia since 1999. The cops are like kittens now. So you see - it's not about the society, it's all about the current government.
And in Russia and China there are totalitarian governments with no accountability by the people, at least in the West we have a faint illusion of democracy!
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And in Russia and China there are totalitarian governments with no accountability by the people, at least in the West we have a faint illusion of democracy!
China is far worse than Russia in that terms. Russia is much much better now than in the Soviet days. Hopefully, she will become even better in the years to come. One cannot conduct a radical revolution and change the system from within, without having some side effects. Time will heal those side effects.
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No argument here. Russia is still a true democracy.

But as democracies go, Russia is pretty repressive.
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No argument here. Russia is still a true democracy.

But as democracies go, Russia is pretty repressive.
We are talking about police brutality and their accountability, not democracy.
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Will time heal those side effects? Russia has no democratic tradition and is more likely to revert back to old ways.
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Will time heal those side effects? Russia has no democratic tradition and is more likely to revert back to old ways.
No argument. The sense of democracy and the value of human rights is much stronger now in Russia than 10 years ago. No one is reverting to the old days. You are wrong.
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No argument. The sense of democracy and the value of human rights is much stronger now in Russia than 10 years ago. No one is reverting to the old days. You are wrong.
No, you are wrong.

Putin has nationalised all state industries, destroyed people who were critical of his government, rigged the election. If anything he is destroying whatever democracy they had there.
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No, you are wrong.

Putin has nationalised all state industries, destroyed people who were critical of his government, rigged the election. If anything he is destroying whatever democracy they had there.
Your prejudices speak from you. You haven't overcome the Cold War days. Go and ask Russian people how they feel about Putin and Medvedev.
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Your prejudices speak from you. You haven't overcome the Cold War days. Go and ask Russian people how they feel about Putin and Medvedev.
Of course they love him but calling Russia a democracy is a slap in the face.
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Of course they love him but calling Russia a democracy is a slap in the face.
Calling Uncle Sam's invasion of Iraq a "democratic intervention" is a slap in the face to the whole reasonable world.

As well as the new "democracy" you established in the Balkans.

Double standards is your middle name, therefore you have no credibility.
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