Russia will veto Kosovo UN bid - Page 7

Grond · #61 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Fear-And-Loathing

Because the Russians and Chinese are the in the top ten worse HR abusers on the planet. Now, I know every non-westerner struggles with the idea of HR but I don't. Kosovo should be allowed to secede just like Chechnya and Taiwan should, just like Vermont should if it so pleases.

How can I judge that the Russians and Chinese are immoral? Russia has a Police State and brutally takes out critics of their government and China massacres it's own people when they have non-violent protests like Tianamen Square and Tibet recently. That's why they are immoral because the government has no quams about massacring it's own people. If Russia thinks the West is living in a 'Illushion' of democracy, I think they need to take a look at their own circumstances, Putin will set up a dynasty that will be similar if not the same as every other ruling government Russia has ever had. Russia and China are the last countries in the world to tell me what is immoral and what is not. If anything it should be Sweden or something

...you are, friend!

This is a typical representative of so-called Western World!

Grond · #62 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

I don't consider them reasonable. Non-democracies have no right to exist.

...in some countries gays have no right to join discussions at all

Grond · #63 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

The US touches every corner of the world. .

Smoking to much pots, huh? I recently talked to North Korean guys. They wanna spit at you. Literally.

Grond · #64 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AmusedToDeath

3/4 of Russian people would kill you with their teeth if you invaded Russia. That is the difference, and that is something you will never understand. That's why you lost the Vietnam war.

...how they could invade Russia? Fat star-and-stripe arse is not a good warrior by DEFINITION!

Last nato aggression in Yugoslavia proved it on 100%.

Sadistic-Savior · #65 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 07:53 AM

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Me: I don't consider them reasonable. Non-democracies have no right to exist.

FYI in some countries gays have no right to join discussions at all

Please name a democracy where homosexuals are not allowed to vote.

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Me: The US touches every corner of the world.

Smoking to much pots, huh? I recently talked to North Korean guys. They wanna spit at you. Literally.

How does that change what I just said?

And why should I care what a non-democracy thinks of us anyway?

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You have double the population of Russia, and nearly the same amount of soldiers.

Without conscription. We match their army with volunteers only. We don't have a draft like they do.

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Besides, size does not always count.

I agree actually. China has many more solders than us but their military is still much weaker because their technology is inferior.

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Let me educate you: 3/4 of US people would hide in shelters if Russia invaded USA

Source please.

Oh wait...I guess that is just an opinion.

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Mongols did have bigger army than US now. But only if you calculate the world population then.100000troopes mean like 25 million now.

The Mongols are not here now, are they?

We aren't talking "what if". We are talking about reality. No, the Mongols did not have a larger military than the united states.

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Second the German army of ww2 was defeated by the USSR and the alies.

The USSR required our supplies in order to keep fighting. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_...f_World_War_II -

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Joust look at the German population then, they forth against half of the world. And almost won.

They were entrenched, and had the initiative with superior technology. And they were still unable to resist us. I remain unimpressed.

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The number of troops are classified, in every country.

Then how did you determine that Russia has more troops than the US?

If you have a better source, feel free to post it. Your word alone is insufficient.

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It's a high time to show arrogant Americans their proper place

Well, Russia's apparently not going to do that. Unless it involves more talking.

Questerr · #66 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 08:34 AM

Ummmm, I don't know if that has been posted yet, but you guys do know that Russia and China can't veto Kosovo getting UN membership, right?

The only Veto power that exists in the UN is on the security council and the Kosovo membership will be handled in the General Assembly where there are no vetoes.

AmusedToDeath · #67 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Questerr

Ummmm, I don't know if that has been posted yet, but you guys do know that Russia and China can't veto Kosovo getting UN membership, right?

The only Veto power that exists in the UN is on the security council and the Kosovo membership will be handled in the General Assembly where there are no vetoes.

Yes, Security Council can block membership.

On the other hand, if the membership was to be decided by the General Assembly, Kosovo would go even worse, since it has been recognized by some 40 countries, and there are nearly 200 countries in the UN. No majority whatsoever.

Sadistic-Savior · #68 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 09:13 AM

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Ummmm, I don't know if that has been posted yet, but you guys do know that Russia and China can't veto Kosovo getting UN membership, right?

The only Veto power that exists in the UN is on the security council and the Kosovo membership will be handled in the General Assembly where there are no vetoes.

Thats an interesting theory...do you have a source for that?

Questerr · #69 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

Thats an interesting theory...do you have a source for that?

Yeah, just look up UN procedures on their own website or wikipedia.

UN memberships are decided by votes in the General Assembly, and no country has a Veto there.

The Security Council (where the US, China, Russia, England, and France have Vetoes) only votes on....guess what...security issues.

Sadistic-Savior · #70 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 10:06 AM

I did finally track it down:

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A country can only be admitted to the UN after the UN General Assembly votes to do so upon the recommendation of the UN Security Council. The required assent of the permanent five members of the Security Council (People's Republic of China, France, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America) no doubt accounts for why admission to membership in the UN is regarded as an important indicator of sovereignty and legitimate statehood (especially for microstates).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter...ations_Charter

So the Security Council does have the final say.

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