Kosovo.net is as reliable as Serbianna and B92. In other words all three are Serbian ( propaganda )sites ,which present a rather biased view.

Like i said books written before 1990 not after.This book is written 2000.

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Emphasis mine. I don't trust that he is objective by default.

And to be honest, I don't even trust CNN, FOX, or the BBC to be objective. No one is really objective. What I trust is that they will be accurate where facts are concerned.

They have an financial incentive to be accurate. Because if they say something that is inaccurate, their rivals will jump to point it out. This will make them look unreliable, which in turn will result in fewer views, which in turn will result in lower profits.

A lie is even worse...if they were to be caught lying, the consequences would be catastrophic. Look at what happened to Dan Rather and CBS after they got caught.

No network is willing to risk that. So while they may spin in favor of their bias, they will never outright lie or present information they know to be false. I trust them because I trust their greed to keep them in check.

By contrast, a book author doesn't have to care about such things. They are not worried about profit margins, they are only worried about selling as many copies as possible or promoting their pet ideology. After the book is sold, they don't have to care. They have no shareholders to report to. In addition to that, no one can reference the book in a debate....you have to buy it or rent it to verify references, and most people wont do that.

Thats why books are not generally accepted as valid sources. I'm not the only one...if you want to use books as a source on here you can. But it is unlikely many people on here will accept them.


They cant be banned in the US either. No free speech is banned here. The fact that an idea is not popular does not mean it is being suppressed. The reason all ideas don't get equal air time is because not all ideas have the same merit in the opinion of the masses.

CNN, FOX and the BBC don't have a monopoly here...there are countless thousands of other sources spread all over the internet, newspapers, and broadcast media.


What they like is irrelevant. They have no way of preventing anyone from saying anything.

CNN certainly doesn't like what Fox is saying.


None of it justifies the oppression of the Kosovars. So it doesn't matter what it says. Which is why it is irrelevant.

Unless you can convince me that Serbia was not oppressing the Kosovars, there is nothing further to discuss. That alone justifies their independence.


Which means you cant correct inaccuracies either.

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I agree with you but my point is media gets news from sources.This sources is like i said states or politicians etc. For example NATO said he destroy many Serbian tanks and army.In the end of the war it was deny officially.So first you hear lies & you believed.But there are thing witch are not deny officially because sponsored dont want.
Off course but they wont promote books and lots ppl cant hear for this book.(because sponsor) read again.

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IRON MAIDEN

The media is under public scrutiny. Meaning that they open themselves to being publically questioned by their rivals. That is how CBS was exposed...their rivals questioned their sources and found out that the documents were fabricated.

I trust them because they are under public scrutiny. They have a lot to lose if they get caught in a lie. So it is unlikely they will try to lie.


Then the media didn't misreport it. They reported what NATO said.

In your example, you can claim that NATO lied. But the media didn't lie.



A mistake isn't a lie. A lie is deliberate. A mistake is not.

The figures that were reported, were accurate...that is, the media accurately reported what NATO claimed.

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Sorry my english is maybe not so good but thats is my point.Media gets news from sponsors(states, politicians,etc..).You hear what they want you to hear.
I was watching some TV report in which they say more then 85% americans dont know who is 1st american president.And now i should believe this?
It doesn't matter who lie.You hear a lie and during NATO aggression ppl of america supported further bombing because lie.The same thing is about Kosovo you hear what they want you to hear just to justify their goal.

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IRON MAIDEN

We get the facts, then make up our own minds based on the facts.

The media reports the facts accurately for the reasons I already described. They have a financial incentive to be accurate. I trust in their greed. Greed is what keeps them honest.


What was the source they were reporting from? The mainstream media will give it's source when they report things like that. The mainstream media also maintains websites with text-versions of the stories they report on TV. So you could link to the online version of the story.

But without a link, I have no idea what the details are. I'd have to know the source before I could take it seriously. You could be making it up or simply remember it incorrectly...I have no way of knowing. Thats why I want proof.


I disagree. It does matter. A lie is not the same thing as a mistake.



If you really believe that, I am not sure why you are on here at all. Why you are even talking to me. If nothing I say can convince you, no evidence can convince you, what is the point? Why go through the motions at all?

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<<French newspaper and television reports today feature evidenc apparently ignored by U.S. media, suggesting that the "Racak massacre" so vigorously denounced by the U.S.-imposed head of the OSCE (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe) "verifiers" mission to Kosovo, William Walker, was a setup.>>
here is a link
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/arti...one/Recak.html
This is what im talking about.Censured media by sponsors.You hear what they want you to hear.
? In what exactly i must be convinced.

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White man came across the sea,He brought us pain and misery,He killed our tribes killed our creed,He took our game for his own need,We fought him hard we fought him well,Out on the plains we gave him hell,But many came too much for Cree,Oh will we ever be set free?

IRON MAIDEN

Exactly my question. What are you trying to convince us here and why do you think you KNOW the truth?

i never try to convince somebody in something or nobody can convince me in something (i use my head & think with free mind).I was living in Serbia, i live in Serbia, i was in Kosovo, i will going in Kosovo, i have friends all nationality who live in Serbia and i hear their story in first hand & i saw things with my own eyes.Its more convince to me than some story on CNN or BBC.My only ,,task,, here is to tell ppl there is two different side of story so ppl can thing whit their own brain not to just listen CNN,BBC and believe immediately.

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White man came across the sea,He brought us pain and misery,He killed our tribes killed our creed,He took our game for his own need,We fought him hard we fought him well,Out on the plains we gave him hell,But many came too much for Cree,Oh will we ever be set free?

IRON MAIDEN