Serbia says "No" to Russian Gasprom Deal - Page 5

TrueAlbo2006 · #41 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Novi Sad

Sandzak has around 50% of Serbs and Vojvodina more than 65% of Serbs.

well, if serbia keeps choosing people with amusedtodeath mindset, i will guarantee you will lose both of them...i mean you say you're from novi sad?

why would want to live under Nicolic or Kostunica? or other populist leaders?...instead take a seat at your place you have aspired for.....

TrueAlbo2006 · #42 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AmusedToDeath

Around 70% of the population of Serbian autonomous province of Vojvodina are Serbs who live in peace and harmony with other minorities. Novi Sad is from Vojvodina and he can confirm that.
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According to the UN, right? I can't wait when the UN ceases to exist. Let's see...

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Originally Posted by AmusedToDeath

I Not a single Arab country recognized it so far. t.

All arabs will recognize it.....

...mark my words.....51 arab countries have already unofficially confirmed it...

But remember, all Serbia's trade partners have recognized the independent Republic of Kosova. All of them.

that IS 70% of world's economy......

Who are going to trade with? Vietnam, Cuba? what else?

Austria just dropped its plans to invest in Serbia...a project with lucrative revenue went down the drain...

drama · #43 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueAlbo2006

well, if serbia keeps choosing people with amusedtodeath mindset, i will guarantee you will lose both of them...i mean you say you're from novi sad?

why would want to live under Nicolic or Kostunica? or other populist leaders?...instead take a seat at your place you have aspired for.....

Once again, who are you? Are you a politician, do you have ties with leading party in any county? If not how can you guarantee anything?
Also, why do you think you know more than other poeple about this issue? You studied history, politics...what is special about you? I am simply asking because you all the time make these bold statements and predictions. How do you back them up? Thanks.

drama · #44 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 02:46 PM

Arab countries have unofficially confirmed it? Can you show some links, data? I would love to read more about this? Can you back uop this claim?

AmusedToDeath · #45 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueAlbo2006

well, if serbia keeps choosing people with amusedtodeath mindset, i will guarantee you will lose both of them...i mean you say you're from novi sad?

And what is your mindset, I must ask? You've shown in multiple occasions here that you are more radical than the biggest radicals in Serbia. You lie, you cheat, you talk nonsense, you invent history... Why should I be better to you? You don't even deserve one to talk to you.

Sadistic-Savior · #46 (**permalink**) 04-06-2008, 07:06 AM

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Me: Ditto. It may take a generation, but if Serbia changes for the better, the kosovars may come around on their own.

never...... Kosova was never part of serbia.

Not directly. Just as Colorado is not part of Texas directly.

But like Colorado and Texas, they used to belong to the same nation.

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Do u mean serbia would colonize again?

Its not a Colony if it is equal in every way.

If Serbia were to change enough, the Kosovars might willingly desire to unify with them.

If the conditions were right, it could happen. And so long as they chose to do so willingly, I would have no problem with it. I dont even have a problem with it now.

The issue is oppression. If the Kosovars act of their own volition, and are not being intimidated into it, I have no problem with a Serbian/Kosovo union.

Of course, that is not the situation now. Which is why I support Kosovo independence. But that does not mean it cant happen in the future. Yes, it is possible for the Serbians to change. They aren't robots.

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serbs in Republic of Kosova will make less than 0.4%...

Which is why I used the term "Kosovars" and not "Albanians" or "Serbians".

My primary ancestry is German, but I do not refer to myself as German. I refer to myself as American.

That is an important distinction, and one that the Kosovars will need to start embracing if they ever expect to see any progress. Their nation (and its ideals) should matter more than their race. I do not think of "Kosovo "and "Albanian" and being the same thing. And neither should they IMO.

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Besides, remember this one: Republic of Kosova has a strong potential to become an economical and political superpower in the Balkans.

Maybe. I'm not arguing that. Even if Kosovo is wildly successful, that doesnt necessarily mean that the Kosovars would not want to unify with Serbia in the future.

Germany and Japan used to be bitter enemies of the US. Now we are allies. Things change. People change.

You may not be able to let the past go, but their children might.

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The American and European universities have opened their technology, law, business, economy, political departments. American and European professors are giving lectures, preparing the next generation. Republic Kosova might become the Silicon Valley of Europe.

Already 5000 foreign companies have expressed their readiness to invest in Republic of Kosova.

Yep. And I agree with all of it. I'd love to see more. I love seeing democracies educated and armed.

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Kosovo is rich in minerals, and that's one of the things you took from us by brute force of Uncle Sam.

You never owned it. So they took nothing from you.

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Don't you worry. You won't be seeing the light of day as a widely recognized state.

They are already recognized by the nations that matter. Because:

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But remember, all Serbia's trade partners have recognized the independent Republic of Kosova. All of them. that IS 70% of world's economy......Who are going to trade with? Vietnam, Cuba? what else?

Exactly my point. Economically, it is not like Russia could do anything for them anyway. The nations that matter (where economic opportunity is concerned) have backed Kosovo.

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Nor will you see the UN.

Neither has Taiwan. They seem to be doing just fine.

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hahaha...remember....Switzerland has been independent since 1090 and joined UN in 2002.

Case in point. Switzerland wasn't recognized as a real nation before 2002? Gimme a break.

The UN is not the be all end all that people seem to think it is.

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Do you remember that Serbian Islamic community from Sandzak urged the Islamic countries of the world not to recognize Kosovo?

Oh no. Not that. How could anyone live without their support?

Oh wait...Israel does. Guess that is another example eh?

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Arab countries have unofficially confirmed it? Can you show some links, data? I would love to read more about this? Can you back uop this claim?

I think he means this site: - http://www.kosovothanksyou.com/ -

That site has a link to Pakistan's announcement...so at least one Muslim nation has recognized Kosovo - http://www.mofa.gov.pk/Press_Release.../PR_033_08.htm -

AmusedToDeath · #47 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 09:59 AM

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If Serbia were to change enough, the Kosovars might willingly desire to unify with them.

If the conditions were right, it could happen. And so long as they chose to do so willingly, I would have no problem with it. I dont even have a problem with it now.

The issue is oppression. If the Kosovars act of their own volition, and are not being intimidated into it, I have no problem with a Serbian/Kosovo union.

Of course, that is not the situation now. Which is why I support Kosovo independence. But that does not mean it cant happen in the future. Yes, it is possible for the Serbians to change. They aren't robots.

You are wrong. You have no knowledge of the Balkans relations. That is why Albanians from Kosovo do not express themselves as Kosovars but as Albanians and that's why they wave flags of another country which happens to be Albania.

Sadistic-Savior · #48 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 10:34 AM

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You are wrong.

I am unwilling to take your word for it.

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You have no knowledge of the Balkans relations. That is why Albanians from Kosovo do not express themselves as Kosovars but as Albanians and that's why they wave flags of another country which happens to be Albania.

Things change. Subsequent generations may not be polluted by petty prejudices in the way that your generation currently is.

AmusedToDeath · #49 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

I am unwilling to take your word for it.

Things change. Subsequent generations may not be polluted by petty prejudices in the way that your generation currently is.

These "petty prejudices" will disappear after unjust decisions are reverted. One side can't take it all, and the other lose everything, having in mind both sides are guilty, respectively.

Sadistic-Savior · #50 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 11:03 AM

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These "petty prejudices" will disappear after unjust decisions are reverted.

Or after people no longer care about them. Not everyone will agree with you that they are unjust.

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