Sure, they are just to those who have interest in Kosovo being independent from Serbia.

But justice is not a subjective point of view. Looking at the issue from an objective point, it is very unjust. Majority of world population considers the decision to be unjust. But you consider them irrelevant since they don't have USA's GDP. And that is unjust as well.

Therefore, we come to the only thing that determines "justice" in the world today, and that is brute force and the law of the jungle. What the hell has mankind been doing for the past 60 years since WW2, I wonder...

Uncle Sam, who represents himself as the "greatest democrat' ever to "walk" the face of the Earth is, at the same time, the greatest violator of international law and principles. Uncle Sam slowly but surely paves the way for another great war, by ignoring the achievements of the world in terms of peace and sovereignty in the post-war years...

Roger Waters put it nicely:

Should we shout? Should we scream?
What happened to the post-war dream?

Explain how you determine justice objectively.


So if the majority of the world considered slavery just, you would too?


I would consider them irrelevant even if they had the US's GDP. GDP has nothing to do with it.


You say that as if it is somehow in conflict.

The UN is not democratic. It's never been democratic. If it were democrtic, Serbia's vote would count just as much as the US's vote.


Lets find out.

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Sadistic Savior, what exactly is your opinion on this issue? University of Belgrade conducted a study few months ago and found that 70 percent of Serbia's exports end up in Russia. Serbian people are on purpose forced to think they need EU but in fact they do not. Serbian export/import needs can be easily satisfied by Russian and Chinese markets. As far as I remember these countries did not support kosovo independence. Serbia does not need EU!

No. Slavery is notoriously unjust. But this is not. This completely different, and you know that as well.

According to who? What if the slaver disagrees with you? How do you objectively prove him wrong?

Which was my point. You say "justice" is objective, when it is really not objective at all. I may or may not agree with your opinion, but thats all it is...an opinion.


They arent forced to "think" anything. They come to that conclusion all on their own.



If they can easily be satisfied by Russian and Chinese consumers, then you are correct. Serbians on here are the ones claiming that they want to be part of the EU.

I have no problem at all leaving it up to the Serbians to decide if hating Kosovo is worth losing EU membership. I agree they should be free to make that choice themselves. If Serbia doesnt want to be part of the EU, I am ok with that.

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Serbia will join EU one day. It is a natural way of things. But will not recognize Kosovo. Never.

Their opinion is shaped by media and propaganda like everywhere else. I hope they never join EU because I think that EU is going to go down soon. There are already talks of a huge housing crisis in Spain. Italy is in lots of trouble as well. They want centralized bank to lower the interest rate but Austria, Germany are completely against that because of the inflation issue.
Anyways, I am not an expert and I truly want what is best for Serbians. I hope they choose wisely and what is best for them.

They arent robots.

If they agreed with you, could we blame that on propaganda as well? At what point are they responsible for their own actions?

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Yes you are right that media affects them both ways.
They do not have to agree with me. I hust hope that they make the correct decision. Whether that is Russia, which I hope it is, or EU it is completely up to the people.

I say this: both EU and Russia! Both USA and China! We want to live in a normal and healthy society and have good relations with everyone. But some decisions have to be reverted. They are simply unjust.