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Old 04-12-2008, 07:04 AM
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As far as the name 'Kosovo' goes, it derives from 'Kosovo Polje' ( The field of black birds). Where the battle took place in 1389. So, it's that area that gave the name to the entire territory.
This is the true, so you know that Kosovo is Serbians and it always been and it alway be.Serbs gave name to yours <state> because Kosovo founded by the Serbs, and you said too.
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You clearly don't have a clue of what you are talking about. Ibrahim Rugova was the leader in Kosova since the late 80's. He was agains KLA.
And why he was against KLA?And what difference it makes today H.Taci and R.Haradinej are Kosovo government.So Terrorist organization KLA are Kosovo government.Well good for yours ppl to live under terrorist government.
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As far as Del Ponte goes, why did she wait this long? Why bring it up when she is just about to give her book out?
Maybe now she can tell the whole truth, because her job, she wasnt allowed to say the truth(forbidden by USA to justify aggression on Serbia ) so you can declare some kind of independent state Kosovo.
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This is the true, so you know that Kosovo is Serbians and it always been and it alway be.Serbs gave name to yours <state> because Kosovo founded by the Serbs, and you said too.
This isn't some wet dream. 'Kosovo' i.e Dardania is not Serbia.

First time 'Kosovo' was ever mention by the Serbs was in 1389 ( Kosovo polje- so it was never a territorial name at that time. It's the land itself that gave the name. You have alot of black birds in Kosova. ( Kos- blackbird ).



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And why he was against KLA?And what difference it makes today H.Taci and R.Haradinej are Kosovo government.So Terrorist organization KLA are Kosovo government.Well good for yours ppl to live under terrorist government.
You obviously didn't read the link I gave to you.

If Kosova's Government had been a terrorist government, the independence wouldn't have been recognized to start with.

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Maybe now she can tell the whole truth, because her job, she wasnt allowed to say the truth(forbidden by USA to justify aggression on Serbia ) so you can declare some kind of independent state Kosovo.
That was a cheap shot.
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This is the true, so you know that Kosovo is Serbians and it always been and it alway be.
The original history is irrelevant. The reason Kosovo no longer belongs to Serbia is because the Serbians oppressed the Kosovars. That is our basis for recognizing their independence.

So I am not sure what all this arguing over history is supposed to prove. None of it has anything to do with why Kosovo is now independent.


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So Terrorist organization KLA are Kosovo government.
The alternatives were worse.



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Well good for yours ppl to live under terrorist government.
Apparently they feel living under Serbian oppression was a worse alternative. I am inclined to agree.
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The original history is irrelevant. The reason Kosovo no longer belongs to Serbia is because the Serbians oppressed the Kosovars. That is our basis for recognizing their independence.

So I am not sure what all this arguing over history is supposed to prove. None of it has anything to do with why Kosovo is now independent.
Sadistic do you know anything about Kosovo?Something you didnt watch on CNN,FOX,BBC?History is very important,maybe not for you but for us it is.We are nations old more than 1000 years and we have respect for all old nations.Maybe if you have history so old as we have maybe you understand what i talking about.Serbia never oppressed Kosovars this is propaganda from USA, something like Racak.It was trigger for bombing ,you all watch this on TV (FOX ,CNN,BBC..)but later UN said it was no massacre in Racak. So more books and less TV and internet.Try to find something about ,,Pristinska liga,, and incident back in 1981.Even than Albanians on Kosovo said that Serbs oppressed them but remember it was SFRY back than Serbs couldnt do anything without accept of all Republics in SFRY.But still SFRY army go to Kosovo to stop Albanians demonstrations. Ask yourself why.
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The original history is irrelevant. The reason Kosovo no longer belongs to Serbia is because the Serbians oppressed the Kosovars. That is our basis for recognizing their independence.

So I am not sure what all this arguing over history is supposed to prove. None of it has anything to do with why Kosovo is now independent.



The alternatives were worse.




Apparently they feel living under Serbian oppression was a worse alternative. I am inclined to agree.
I am not sure what you agreeing or disagreeing is supposed to prove either. What were the alternatives? You ever heard of Bond Steel? What about Caspian Oil? How about closer to Russia? Do you want more reasons why US is in Kosovo today?
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Sadistic do you know anything about Kosovo?
I know enough to know that its origin is irrelevant to whether or not it deserves independence from Serbia.


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History is very important,maybe not for you but for us it is.
I guess it sucks for you that we dont have to answer to you then.



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We are nations old more than 1000 years and we have respect for all old nations.
We do not. Age does not grant you special rights in our opinion.



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Maybe if you have history so old as we have maybe you understand what i talking about.
I guess we'll never know, since the most powerful nation on Earth is not that old.


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Serbia never oppressed Kosovars this is propaganda from USA
Well, the kosovars dont agree with you, and I am unwilling to take your word for it. Whether or not I believe CNN, BBC, and Fox.

Without exception, every single Serbian on this forum so far has referred to the Kosovars at least once with sweeping prejudiced terms like "uncivilized"...some have even implied that they are animals. So your assurances that Serbia would never have oppressed them ring a little hollow.


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I am not sure what you agreeing or disagreeing is supposed to prove either. What were the alternatives?
The alternatives included doing nothing and hoping that the Serbians would treat the Kosovars humanely and equally. Since that was unlikely to occur in my opinion, that alternative was worse.


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How about closer to Russia?
Driving Serbia closer to Russia is acceptable to me if the alternative was allowing them to oppress the Kosovars.

To be honest, it sounds like their morality is more in line with Russia and China than us anyway.
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Driving Serbia closer to Russia is acceptable to me if the alternative was allowing them to oppress the Kosovars.

To be honest, it sounds like their morality is more in line with Russia and China than us anyway.
Honesty is always appreciated. Could somebody blame the Serbians? US bombed them with rich uranium bombs that is even today killing civilians, helped Kosovars take 15 % of their territory, sanctions...
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Honesty is always appreciated. Could somebody blame the Serbians?
Yes. Nothing justifies oppression.


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US bombed them with rich uranium bombs that is even today killing civilians [...] helped Kosovars take 15 % of their territory, sanctions...
Bombing should not have been necessary anyway. Had they not tried to oppress anyone, they would not have been bombed. The alternative to bombing them was to allow them to oppress the Kosovars. The alternative was worse.

We did not use radioactive materials in any of our bombs. I think you are referring to depleted uranium ammunition. That is used in some projectile weapons, but not bombs:


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Yes. Nothing justifies oppression.



Bombing should not have been necessary anyway. Had they not tried to oppress anyone, they would not have been bombed. The alternative to bombing them was to allow them to oppress the Kosovars. The alternative was worse.

We did not use radioactive materials in any of our bombs. I think you are referring to depleted uranium ammunition. That is used in some projectile weapons, but not bombs:
Hundreds died of cancer after DU bombing

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BELGRADE, Jan 13, 2001 (Reuters) - A Yugoslav pathologist said on Saturday about 400 Bosnian Serbs from an area bombarded by NATO with depleted uranium shells in 1994 later died of various forms of cancer.

Doctor Zoran Stankovic, head of the Department of Forensic Medicine of the Yugoslav Military-Medical Academy in Belgrade, linked the deaths -- which totalled about 10 percent of the community -- to radioactive weapons.

Some of the victims had worn flak jackets made from shells with depleted uranium (DU), he told Reuters in an interview.

Stankovic, who performed some 4,000 autopsies, said.

"Four hundred people died of various forms of cancer in the past five years. They were part of a community of some 4,000 Serbs from Hadzici (near Sarajevo) who moved to Bratunac north-east of Sarajevo. The death pattern was easy to follow in an isolated population, particularly with an increased occurrence of malignant diseases and deaths,"
Many of the Serbs from Hadzici had worked in a factory repairing tanks and armoured vehicles that was heavily bombed by NATO in 1994. At the time, DU shells found on the ground were recycled and used to produce flack jackets. "Some of these Serbs wore the jackets and died," Stankovic said.

He said no organised multi-disciplinary study had been launched to establish links between DU and health hazards. But he said he strongly felt the link existed.

DOUBTS DU IS HARMLESS

He was commenting on reports by experts from some Western countries that denied any link between radioactive weaponry and cancers after a renewed DU scare swept many European states whose soldiers serve in Kosovo, where NATO fired thousands of missiles containing the radioactive substance.

"If it is so harmless as some people say, I would like them to collect all the remainders of the DU shells, take them to a nice house somewhere in Brussels, store the shells in the cellar and have their children playing in the house," Stankovic said.
Cases of cancer have been reported among Italian, Belgian, French, Dutch, Spanish and Portuguese soldiers who served a peacekeepers in Bosnia and Kosovo.

NATO faces a potential split over the long-lasting health impact of using the armour-piercing depleted uranium shells which critics blame for cancer among the troops.

Britain, NATO and the United States insist there is no evidence of a link between DU weapons and cases of leukemia among Italian soldiers. But Italy has demanded a probe into the deaths of at least seven of its soldiers from leukemia after duty in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Stankovic said DU munitions were inflicting physical and thermal damage on human beings, while exposure to their ionising radiation was seen as affecting bone marrow and the reproductive tract and causing congenital anomalies. Particles from DU explosions were contaminating the soil and underground waters, posing threat to plants and animals, he added.

UN MUST INVESTIGATE DU HAZARDS

"The Americans have studied effects of the Gulf war on their soldiers. Their study showed that 76 percent of their descendants were born with physical anomalies. Some were born with six fingers, some without an arm or a leg," he said. Stankovic said the United Nations had to organise a study of possible links between DU weapons and health hazards, as the world organisation was directly responsible for the use of the depleted uranium weapons. But the study should take time because an illness takes time to develop, he said.

"NATO will have to finance the research. NATO will have to pay for regular medical screening of the local population. If we want to help the people, they must be screened every six months. NATO must also send its experts to collect the leftover DU shells, because we don"t need them," Stankovic said.

NATO says it had fired 31,000 shells containing DU during its 1999 three-month bombing of Yugoslavia to halt Belgrade"s repression in Kosovo. Most hit Kosovo, southern Serbia and Montenegro. The Yugoslav Army has so far reported no cases of cancer among its members who served in Kosovo during the air strikes. It says screening of 1,000 soldiers had negative results. But Stankovic said the 1,000 soldiers represented less than one percent of some 150,000 troops deployed in Kosovo.

He also said he had received reports of two cases of eyeball cancers. "These two soldiers had served in the area where thousands of shells fell. My question to international medical experts is how does the surface of the eye-ball reacts when exposed to the DU dust and does the dust causes the cancer."
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